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Old 05-30-2002, 07:51 AM   #41
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Thumb MRA vs. Wunderlich R1150GS screen

I also ordered the new handscrews to easily adjust the screen:

My previous screen is the MRA screen (in Santa Cruz called the 2 piece Wunderlich screen). Compared to the MRA it is wider and because the screenmounting thingies are set up differently the screen sits a bit lower but can be raised a lot steeper. With the MRA screen there was still a lot of riding wind hitting my upper arms, pulling them back. I do not notice this anymore with the Wunderlich screen. With the MRA screen the pull would only get worse from steep to low angle setting, with the Wunderlich screen there doesn't seem to be a difference in "arm pulling" factor with these angles. My priority was to decrease this "gorrila arm" effect when riding at high speed (150km/h +) on the Autobahn (elsewhere I always ride the legal limit of course ). The Wuderlich screen does a good job at eliminating that effect, more than the MRA. Noise seems the same compared to the MRA, but I must add that it's always windy in Holland and I always wear earplugs. Compared to stock it's certainly better. When riding the Wunderlich in the lowest setting the airflow is pretty clean, although at my 6'3" / 1.90 meter (34" inseam) it blasts straight in my face. This blast, although clean, is noiser than the tiny bit of turbulent air that hits the side of my helmet when riding the Wunderlich in the steepest setting. Because the screen can be set steeper than the MRA the airflow is just a bit higher. The MRA screen in the lowest setting (angle, slide didn't make any difference for me) made my helmet lift up and created a lot of "gorrila arms effect", the Wunderlich doesn't have this. I think I'll be using the Wunderlich at low angle in the summer on the backroads and the steep angle on the long freeway drones, but I still have to experiment.

Concluding, so far I'm very satisfied with this new screen. I like it better than the MRA. The bigger width makes the long, high speed freeway runs more comfortable, the mounting setup creates optional settings from "Adventure screen, clean blast in face" up to "Goldwinnabago, fazer torpedo shields up". .
I think this is the nicest looking and best working alternative for that ugly Aeroflow.

I now have a stock screen, MDI screen, MRA screen and the Wunderlich screen. I have no riding experience with the Givi or Adventure screen.
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Old 05-30-2002, 10:09 AM   #42
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Old 05-30-2002, 10:11 AM   #43
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Old 05-30-2002, 10:12 AM   #44
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Old 05-30-2002, 10:23 AM   #45
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Re: Build Quality

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Emile, how sturdy is the build (i.e., this was one of the chief complaints about the 2-piece MRA screen)? Does it wobble at speed (i.e., like the ADV screen reportedly does)?
The sturdieness is similar to the stock screen. Because it is shaped and curved it can't really flex. The MRA is straight, which makes it flex a bit in strong wind. Still, I found the MRA very decent and sturdy. No wobble at speed, hard to imagine seeing that bullet proof adventure screen do that. The Wunderlich screen is a bit thinner compared to the Adv. screen, but there is no wobbling at any angle, at any speed.
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I noticed that it doesn't have the upcurved lip of the stock screen. Perhaps that's why you're getting much cleaner airflow?
Could well be.... I'd have to switch back to the stock screen just for fun, the last time I rode with the stock was almost a year ago... but I'm too lazy to switch those mounting things back and forth
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Old 05-30-2002, 01:22 PM   #46
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Man, I purchased my Wunderlich tall touring a week ago, and now I'm Jones'n big time while waiting for Fed Ex ground. I can't wait to see how much reduced the buffeting is on my XXXL helmet (aka melon head). If buffeting while "slab" speeding improves as much as I hope, and given the death stats on slab riding could make a slab convert out of me. Currently, I avoid the slab like the plague.

Fed Ex ground better get here today or I'll have to call BMWscruz.com and ask what the hold up is.

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Old 05-30-2002, 06:28 PM   #47
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Man, I purchased my Wunderlich tall touring a week ago[...]Currently, I avoid the slab like the plague.
[...] BMWscruz.com and ask what the hold up is.
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I guess you're talking about the MRA (2 piece) screen, right ? I don't see the new Wunderlich (1 piece, wide, tall) screen available on the scruz site... You're currently using the stock screen ?
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Old 05-30-2002, 09:13 PM   #48
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Old 05-30-2002, 09:51 PM   #49
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I guess you're talking about the MRA (2 piece) screen, right ? I don't see the new Wunderlich (1 piece, wide, tall) screen available on the scruz site... You're currently using the stock screen ?
The scruz site doesn't show the Wunderlich tall touring, but they sell it, and had it in stock (supposedly) when I called. Yes... My name is Patrick, and I used the stock screen for 21K miles. Soon, I'll be getting most of these congo playing monkeys off my helmet, and try to look at the slab with something other then dread.

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Old 05-30-2002, 10:06 PM   #50
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Yes... My name is Patrick, and I used the stock screen for 21K miles. Soon, I'll be getting most of these congo playing monkeys off my helmet, and try to look at the slab with something other then dread.

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Old 05-31-2002, 11:13 AM   #51
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The scruz site doesn't show the Wunderlich tall touring, but they sell it, and had it in stock (supposedly) when I called. Yes... My name is Patrick, and I used the stock screen for 21K miles. Soon, I'll be getting most of these congo playing monkeys off my helmet, and try to look at the slab with something other then dread.

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Bummer, scruz sells what they call the Wunderlich tall touring, but it's last years Wunderlich tall touring, so it's really a smoked tinted Ermax. So, I have to send it back today and order my Wunderlich tall touring from Germany.

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Old 06-06-2002, 05:05 AM   #52
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How much wider is Wunderlich screen?

Hey Flying Dutchman or anyone else who can answer :)

How much higher and wider than standard is the Wunderlich 1 piece screen...

I am still not decided between the MRA which sounds good for airflow but doesn't seem much wider than standard and this new Wunderlich screen... I don't have enough money just to buy both and see what works - cos in Europe they won't take it back if you don't like it... :(

Flying Dutchman - any chance of a photo of the original screen superimposed or sitting behind the new Wunderlich?

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Old 06-06-2002, 05:48 AM   #53
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Re: How much wider is Wunderlich screen?

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Flying Dutchman - any chance of a photo of the original screen superimposed or sitting behind the new Wunderlich?
Just a few quick pics before I rush off to work...
I'm holding my stock screen in the same mount-angle as the wunderlich in the highest setting (sorry, I tilted it a bit... I'm in a hurry...):
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Sitting on the REAR buddy, leaning backwards, Wunderlich in the steepest setting:
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Sitting on the REAR buddy, leaning a bit backwards, Wunderlich screen in the lowest setting. I'll be riding to Merano next week (Italian Alps), perhaps we can meet ?
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Hey Dutchman,

Thanks a heap mate! that screen looks the business...

meeting up sounds like a fine plan!

I will email you privately...

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JimO, you've done an amazing job with this! It's awesome. I put a link to it at the top of The Hall of Wisdom. I'm also happy to host it on ADVrider's server, but it looks to me like a very dynamic document in need of reasonably frequent updates. You wouldn't be able to edit it on my server.

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Old 06-10-2002, 07:45 AM   #58
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Thumbs down Stock windscreen sucks!

For the most part, I'm liking my GS, but the stock windscreen SUCKS! Any speed over about 60mph feels like a mule kicking me in the helmet. The only thing that helped is if I removed the rear screws and laid the screen down. This, of course, produced an enormous amount of windblast to my body.

So...last night I grabbed the old cordless jigsaw and cut the flip off the stocker. I put the belt sander to it to smooth out the rough spots, and polished it off with a little 220 grit. It looks pretty nice. The buffetting is down, but not gone, and windblast is kept at bay.

I went by a fellow GS riders house, and showed him my screen. He let me borrow his Givi. I've read that for folks my height (i'm 6'5"), that the Givi isn't very effective. Actually, for me it worked alright. Buffetting was still there, but only at super legal speeds around 90mph. I did notice that the Givi screen actually rubs the plastic above the gages a slight bit. Of course, that's nothing that jigsaw can't handle.

So, now I'm wondering if I should get the MRA/Wunderluch two piece screen, or give the Givi a shot? Anyone have both and can give an accessment.

Being a former RT owner, I really got used to that adjustable screen. Now I have to set it and ride. What's the best choice?
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Re: Stock windscreen sucks!

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So, now I'm wondering if I should get the MRA/Wunderluch two piece screen, or give the Givi a shot? Anyone have both and can give an accessment.
I've put about 6 thousand miles on the Givi and now, just about 1000 on the MRA. I like the MRA better. I don't think the MRA wobbles any more than anything else. Fully extended, the MRA is about as tall as the Givi, but I couldn't adjust the Givi low enough (without a drill) to get clean air to my helmet. With the MRA, I can put it all the way down and push in the top part, and it's nice and smooth. You are right...at high speeds, the Givi feels like Lennox Lewis is smacking you on the sides of the helmet. Over 80, if I don't tuck down, I can't even read freeway signs. Not the case with the MRA, but because it doesn't block as much wind, you get a little more gorilla arm syndrome at high speeds. Anyway, I like the MRA, over the Givi. Besides, you can put all kinds of words behind that acronym, like Mentally Retarded A
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That big barn door that Flying Dutchman has on his bike may be an option too. I've got the same problem you mentioned. I can't read the signs or see what's in my mirrors with the stock screen. 30 minutes of riding yields a horrible headache.

I wish there was a way to sample all the screens. The Givi is cheap (compared to others), and I'm sure the offerings from Cee Baileys and BMA are going to be top notch (when they hit the market). I am not so much concerned with getting tons of airflow (while it's nice), I just want smooth air. I've had the bike over a week and only have 600 miles on it! I did that in 2 days on the RT!
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Ugly ass Aeroflow

Well...I broke down today and bought the Aeroflow. It's ugly as homemade sin, but let's face it, the GS isn't exactly a beautiful buttercup.

Hopefully the Aeroflow will give me smooth air. Of course, I have to wait for the 2 week backorder.
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Well...I broke down today and bought the Aeroflow. It's ugly as homemade sin, but let's face it, the GS isn't exactly a beautiful buttercup.

Hopefully the Aeroflow will give me smooth air. Of course, I have to wait for the 2 week backorder.
Congrats on picking something. Hey, doesn't it get kinda hot in TN? I predict your next problem will be cooling off behind the popemobile. I'm sure it will be great for winter tho!
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Yeah. It gets hotter than a whore on two for one night here. I don't think anything can help much when I'm not moving, but I've always managed to get pretty good airflow when I'm covering ground. Even with the tall screens I had on the RT. If it gets up toward 100 degrees, no amount of wind is going to cool you off. It will just feel like a blast furnace.

It might be a bit uncomfortable when I'm slogging through traffic at 15 or 20mph getting NO wind. But I'm guessing at slab speeds, plus my height, I'll get plenty of air.

If not, I'll sell the darn thing and try something else.

I can tell I'm going to spend a great deal of money trying to turn the GS into an RT. Why the heck did I dump the RT again?!? Oh, yeah...cause it was in tiny pieces on the side of the Cherohala Skyway!
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I guess you better keep your checkbook warm as the Cee Bailey's GS proto's should be close at hand....Da Polar boy will be the "mouse on the wheel".

You may want to give him his last rites as you all know what the Cee Baileys did to Chad's RT once installed.

They are powerful shields. We just sent SMELT one of our 10 HP shields for his RT to replace the 5 HP.

Damn....2 week backlog at Aeroflow for a $350 shield....shit boys...a GS may be in my future!

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They are powerful shields. We just sent SMELT one of our 10 HP shields for his RT to replace the 5 HP.
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The Cee Balieys screen will be, without a doubt, a fine piece of hardware. But as it stands now, I can't buy one, and I can't ride my bike for more that 30 minutes without getting a headache. I tried the Givi, better, but still buffetted. So I went for broke and got the Aeroflow.

When the Cee screen comes along, I'll probably order one, try it, and decide which works better for me.
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I can't ride my bike for more that 30 minutes without getting a headache.
That's the same with my wife and I having sex, only her headache starts 30 minutes before we get to riding.

Bye the way....

I thought you GS riders were supposed to be macho, outdoorsy, rough rider, no bullshit guys.....what's the problem with a little air to go with the bugs and outdoors?

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Oh no...you have me confused. I'm an RT rider that managed to crash his bike, decided to get a cheaper one, and ended up with a GS. By golly...I'll get it up to RT specs if it kills me! :):

Seriously...the GS is a fine bike, but it has it's shortcomings just like the RT did. I just got done adding the Jesse tail compartment to the bike. Looks great, gives me a nice luggage rack even with the rear seat installed, and now I have a place to stow the manuals, GPS, spare set of gloves, earplugs , leatherman tool, a flashlight....you know...the basics.
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Mr. Haggis, do you have a pic of the Jesse tail, by any chance?
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Great resource so far - Can the GSAdv screen be retro fitted to standard GS? - if so what else is needed?
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After 6 hours in the saddle I straightened my legs by putting toes on the bottom of the stock windscreen and resting my calves on the tank, each side of the tankbag. At 85 MPH wind buffetting lessened alot.

At 5'10", 32" inseam the stock windscreen works- can see over and catch wind for venting.

My dream idea right now is an Aeroflow bottom that would install cleanly and still use the stock windscreen.

Any ideas out there???????

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To see pics of the Jessie tail compartment, go to www.jesseluggage.com
Thank you sir. My bad, I should have just checked there in the first place.
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I was wondering if anyone had a source for the Wunderlich screen that the Flying Dutchman is using, in the US. I tried both of the european sites that are mentioned, but was unable to locate the screen. My head is fine with the stock screen, but my shoulders get smacked pretty hard on the freeway.
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Talking Windscreens FAQ

NEWS FLASH.....Noticed that the Cee Bailey GS SCREENS are available!!!??? Who will be first to report?
Looks similar to tall Wunderlich Touring screen but without the flare toward the grips, which must help.
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Yeah! Cee Baileys Screen is on the way!

Hell yes! Steve and the folks and Cee Baileys have answered my prayers. I canceled my order for the hideous Aeroflow (which would probably have worked great), and hopped over to Cee Baileys site to order up a new GS screen as big as they can make one. It cost me an extra $50 to get it "giant sized", but hopefully it will be like sitting in that "Popemobile" Fish is always talking about.

I can't want to strap that big barn door to the front of the GS. It's half as ugly as the Aeroflow, and exactly half the price. I got the light gray tint too. It's what I had on my RT screen and it is VERY light gray...almost clear. Just good for knocking the glare down.

I know that Cee Baileys can get backlogged at times (me and the rest of the BMWRT crowd swamped him when the RT screen came out), so I'll wait patiently (since I was going to wait at least 2 weeks for the Aeroflow anyway). I'll let you all know how it works.

Please hurry Steve! (Perhaps I should have paid the extra $50 to have it rushed! Darn!!)

If it's as good as the RT screen was, I'll love it.
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For Fyrmd

You could order it directly from Wunderlich.

Andreas there speaks very good English.

Ring 'em up and ask for him - he was extremely helpful to me.

If you require his email address then send me a private msg.

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Bummer, scruz sells what they call the Wunderlich tall touring, but it's last years Wunderlich tall touring, so it's really a smoked tinted Ermax. So, I have to send it back today and order my Wunderlich tall touring from Germany.

Patrick
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I got the same three week late message about not shipping to the good old USA.

Just try and order the NEW Wunderlich Tall Touring from BMWscruz.com and you'll get last years Wunderlich which is a smoked colored ERMAX, or at least that is what they sent to me.

Wunderlich's customer service sucks big time.

Patrick
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Old 06-20-2002, 01:15 PM   #79
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Wunderlich sucks?? nahh...

I think it's BMWCruz... I mean they are meant to be the US Wunderlich distributor... and so probably have some agreement with Wunderlich Germany that they have sole distributor rights to the US...

Hell I'd do that if I was going to distribute their stuff!!

Guess I'd ring up BMWCruz with all the details and tell them that there are a few of you that want to order it and to hurry up and pull their finger out....

Just a thought....
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Old 06-20-2002, 01:18 PM   #80
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Re: Wunderlich sucks?? nahh...

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I think it's BMWCruz... I mean they are meant to be the US Wunderlich distributor... and so probably have some agreement with Wunderlich Germany that they have sole distributor rights to the US...

Hell I'd do that if I was going to distribute their stuff!!

Guess I'd ring up BMWCruz with all the details and tell them that there are a few of you that want to order it and to hurry up and pull their finger out....

Just a thought....
I've already done that, and their responce was: we don't sell the new Wunderlich screen.

Wunderlich sucks.

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