Michigan Helmet Laws - A Detailed Look Into a Newly Helmetless State

[ph0rk]

Originally Posted by ttpete

Because the public needs protection from others.

That's the same thing as the public needing protection from itself.


Drivers are licensed so the privilege can be taken away when someone fucks up.

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by ph0rk

That's the same thing as the public needing protection from itself.


Drivers are licensed so the privilege can be taken away when someone fucks up.

An individual should be allowed to do something that's hazardous to himself as long as it's not hazardous to anyone else.

[ph0rk]

Originally Posted by ttpete

An individual should be allowed to do something that's hazardous to himself as long as it's not hazardous to anyone else.

Yes, and someone trying to squint through 70 mph of wind and rain on a naked bike in the oncoming lane is hazardous to me.

[randyo]

Originally Posted by ph0rk

it seems to me that at the least, eye protection should be mandatory in the same way that an uncracked windshield is mandatory. Especially on bikes with less wind protection, I can't believe riders with no helmet and no goggles or glasses can see adequately to maneuver safely at high speeds due to windblast alone.

if the public doesn't need protection from itself, why bother with licensing in the first place?

here in NH, eye protection IS mandatory, helmets are not

eye protection can be in the form of goggles, safety glasses, helmet visor or windshield (I think has to extend 14" above handlebar ?) I'm covered wearing prescription glasses

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by DOGSROOT

Except that Shakespeare didn't mangle the English language.

Re-read the first sentence.
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It's a bit awkward, but it parses correctly. Shakespeare, OTOH, mangled the English language extensively. Indeed it was part of his artfulness, and done at a level that still has rarely been approached by others. Certainly not I.

Originally Posted by ttpete

An individual should be allowed to do something that's hazardous to himself as long as it's not hazardous to anyone else.

+1.

Originally Posted by randyo

here in NH, eye protection IS mandatory, helmets are not

eye protection can be in the form of goggles, safety glasses, helmet visor or windshield (I think has to extend 14" above handlebar ?) I'm covered wearing prescription glasses

Eye protection is mandatory in most states. And it has a much better rationale behind it, as a person riding without being able to see is a hazard to others. I'm not very upset about eye protection laws, as those address the correct subject for a law -- when someone is harming or endangering someone else; which is not the case with helmet laws which are promarily designed to protect someone from himself.

PhilB

[Multiplicity]

Originally Posted by PhilB

Eye protection is mandatory in most states. And it has a much better rationale behind it, as a person riding without being able to see is a hazard to others. I'm not very upset about eye protection laws, as those address the correct subject for a law -- when someone is harming or endangering someone else; which is not the case with helmet laws which are promarily designed to protect someone from himself.

PhilB

Most states make it mandatory, 35 MPH and above Michigan is one of them.

[Wraith Rider]

However, as far as I know, it's not mandatory to have the visor of your full face helmet closed.

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by Wraith Rider

However, as far as I know, it's not mandatory to have the visor of your full face helmet closed.

At least some states I've ridden in, if you have the visor open, and do not have other eye protection, you can be cited for lack of eye protection.

PhilB

[Tripped1]

Originally Posted by PhilB

At least some states I've ridden in, if you have the visor open, and do not have other eye protection, you can be cited for lack of eye protection.

PhilB

I've gotten pulled over for that.

I had sunglasses on under my visor and the office behind me only saw that the visor was up. He just checked my paperwork and let me go.