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Old 08-13-2014, 04:38 PM   #16
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I am finding my F800GS to be no more comfortable on the slab than my '06 Husky TE610 (with Lynx Fairing and Seat Concepts seat) ever was.

If you want to downsize, look at used Husky TE610/630, KTM LC4, Suzuki DR650, etc...I don't feel that the BMW 650 singles are lighter enough than an 800 to warrant the change (I will still pick the 800 over a KLR/Dakar/650GS any day...if I'm gonna throw 400+lbs around, they're gonna be driven by multi-power )
+1. The Dakar is over 400lbs,not a flyweight and still pricey parts. You sound like a candidate for a DR650,if you want it low then lower it with the factory lowering settup.
DR cruises fine on long hiway jaunts,is slightly cooler then a KLR, cheap to buy a clean used one. Set it up to taste and go!
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Old 08-13-2014, 04:39 PM   #17
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You got lucky! I have a 690 and an F7GS and my 690 has been in the shop half the time I have owned it. You owe your wife a nice dinner for sparing you from all the problems you would have had if you had gotten the KTM. :)
That is too bad about the 690, it sure looks sweet. Back to the question by 73Datsun, I owned a 2007 Triumph Scrambler almost since new, I just got rid of it last fall. Wonderful bike. Mine was not fuel injected, but had a carb, and it still ran well with none of the stuff you think about modern carbs.

The seat was hard, so I sent mine off to Spencer at Great Day To Ride and had him do his magic. What a difference it made. Another mod I did was install Triumph Street Triple bars and Triumph bar end mirrors. The bars turned it into a much more sporting ride. Also added an after market luggage rack much like used in the 60's, and a center stand.

My only negative I had with the bike, boy it was heavy, much heavier than my long gone 79 Triumph Bonnie. That said; I would have another one.

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Old 08-13-2014, 05:38 PM   #18
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I looked at the specs for the F650GS twin and the DRZ 650, and the wet weight difference isn't that big: 408lbs for the DRZ and 439lbs for the F650GS twin. So the difference isn't that big at 31lbs.
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:35 PM   #19
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After 60K miles on my F650-twin, I decided that bike just isn't fun for me off-road. While I've kept it for long distance road trips and commuting, my new joy is a G650X-Country. I think another important parameter is wheelbase length. The G650XC handles likes butter off-road compared to the F650-Twin. And yet, you'd probably never know that from the specs alone...

Factory spec height
G650: 31.5" can be lowered to 30.3
F700: 32.3" can be lowered to 30.1
F800: 34.6" can be lowered to 32.3

Factory weight
G650: 386lbs / 423lbs
F700: 410lbs / 461lbs

Wheelbase
G650: 58.2"
F700: 61.5"
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:22 PM   #20
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After reading your guys feedback. I think it would be wiser to keep my so far bulletproof GS.

Maybe lose the HUGE panniers and slim it down a bit with soft sides. And invest in off road riding courses.

I'm having a hard time rationalizing completing this sell. Guess I'll ponder it tonight.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:58 AM   #21
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Are you referencing a Suzuki DR650 (324 lbs), or a BMW G650GS (423 lbs)? Either way, your numbers don't match what I find...

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I looked at the specs for the F650GS twin and the DRZ 650, and the wet weight difference isn't that big: 408lbs for the DRZ and 439lbs for the F650GS twin. So the difference isn't that big at 31lbs.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:15 AM   #22
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I'm having a hard time rationalizing completing this sell. Guess I'll ponder it tonight.
Factor in the financial bath you'll take on resale of your recently purchased GS. Do the numbers in dollars and kilograms, and weigh them both (pun intended - sorry).

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Old 08-14-2014, 09:26 AM   #23
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G650gs is fun

Last week I purchased a 2014 G650GS. My local dealer made me an awesome deal, which I could not refuse.

I had a F650(800cc).

I have taken the G on some dirt trails and been very pleased with the handling.

You should take the G for a test ride and see how it feels. You may be surprised, especially if you can get a deal.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:08 AM   #24
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All the specs I have seen, consistently have wet weight for the DR650 at 366lbs. The F650gs twin weighs in at 438wet and the F700gs at 461lbs. Who would have thought another rotor, caliper and related hoses would add 23lbs?

Whether wheelbase helps or hurts depends on where you ride. I find helps if the roads aren't too twisty. My f800gs is pretty stable on those portions in sand or hard pack (with knobbys). Because of the weight, it is slowing down that becomes a problem. More so in sand, you have to ride these bikes faster to keep them from plowing in. Lighter is better in those circumstances. Believe me it takes a leap of faith, the first few times to try a section of sand at 40-50mph and sometimes the terrain just won't allow that.

If I was looking for a thumper, I would look at a 2007 or earlier BMW 650 X country. 344lbs wet (small fuel tank) 53hp. More suspension travel than the F650/F700gs.

The Dr 650 is attractive, just because you can make it what you want. It needs suspension work, most add a larger tank and Procycle can supply the parts to make a 790cc monster. I have a friend who bought a 2nd one just for that purpose.

Or if you can afford it, do what a lot of us do, own 2 bikes.
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:25 PM   #25
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Don't forget the ktm 690 enduro. Almost as light as the 250s with way more power, better suspension and descent maintenance intervals.
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:50 PM   #26
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They are great bikes. If you are height impaired bring a box to stand on. I ruled them out because they are expensive and lack the fuel capacity to ride western pavement and dirt. That is an additional $1,000.

It might not be an issue where you live but lack of service stations is becoming a serious concern. The Mom and Pops have all but dried up. They can't meet current emission standards, a lot have leaky tanks and there not enough volume to justify modernizing what they have.

The X bikes have the same issue, but there was and still may be a cheaper solution.

I will let others talk about issues they may or may not have.
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:08 PM   #27
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Ahh yes. Height is an issue. From my former research. No actual riding experience... The Dr 650 is a great machine with a good weigt for people with shorter legs.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:24 AM   #28
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Do you guys get the Serteo in the US?

HOnestly, get the weight down on your bike, get someone to mod the suspension for you (Doesnt need to be the whole hog, just springs and oil weight will make a difference) and it will be fine...

keeping in mind the 800 is always going to be better than the 700 offroad.
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Old 08-16-2014, 06:03 AM   #29
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http://www.svendura.de/enduros.php

A list of thumpers from a german website, maybe there is a dual sport, you didn't think of
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:13 PM   #30
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Ktm is building a 390 adventure next year. Might be worth holding out for.
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