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Old 08-22-2014, 08:19 PM   #16
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Cracked outer tank cover - that's the only issue with my F700GS so far. Mostly an aesthetic thing - common issue. Just sad that after so many years, BMW still hasn't addressed it.
Yikes! That's not good! Do they replace it while it's under warranty?
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Old 08-22-2014, 09:06 PM   #17
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They both use the same 800cc motor as the 700.
This is something I don't quite understand... the 700 and 800 both list the same 798cc engine, but the 800gs has 15% more torque and 20mph higher topspeed..?

Is that magic from the higher octane fuel recommendation?
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:28 PM   #18
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Oh, and for accessories; comfort seat? Yay or nay? Is it that much more plushy than the regular? I have an Air Hawk I use for my guzzi and that helps loads for long rides.
A proper seat is a must from day one on. I tried both low and normal factory seats on my F650, but both start killing you after half an hour. You guys over there in US have more alternatives, I got myself a replacement from Top Sellerie in France.

In addition, the wind protection may be an issue depending on your height and preference. You will want to consider some taller windshield instead of the stock tiny little piece of plastic.

Some also say that the parallel twin vibrates quite significantly compared to others, but I don't have enough experience with any other 2/3/4 cylinder bike.

Other than that, if you're an on-road rider, I can't see any disadvantage of having the 650/700 against 800. The power delivery is pretty much identical up to 6000 RPM, which is more or less the useful range on the tarmac anyway.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:27 AM   #19
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This is something I don't quite understand... the 700 and 800 both list the same 798cc engine, but the 800gs has 15% more torque and 20mph higher topspeed..?

Is that magic from the higher octane fuel recommendation?
They both recommend premium fuel. The F700GS just has a detuned version of that engine. The main noticeable difference is at upper rpms though, if you compare the torque curves. In daily driving at lower rpm, there is not that much difference, from what I hear.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:49 AM   #20
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The 650 (now a 700) is geared taller, 500 rpm less at 55 mph, but from a dead stop you can let the clutch out with no throttle and it will not stall, the 800 will. So from riding them back to back, I like the state of tune of the 650 better than the 800, even though the 800 has more HP. At high way speed the 650 also feels better too.

Tank; It's just the outer tank that cracks, no leaks because they have an inner liner.
Seats; My wife and I both like the BMW tall rally seat, but it's a little tall for her so she uses a BMW comfort seat. I have the tall rally. BTW if you are buying a new bike any good dealer will give any seat you want, so try them all, low, comfort, rally and standard. Our dealer will let you choose any one at no extra cost and has all of them there for test rides.
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Old 08-23-2014, 07:32 AM   #21
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The f650/f700gs are detuned F800 engines, with the 700 getting some additional HP over the F650. Since the F800 makes its HP at higher rpms, I suspect it has different cam profiles than the other 2. It would have different timing if the case. The F800 has a secondary air system to deal with emissions. It is not on the F650, unknown to me if on the F700.

Vertical twins do vibrate more. The BMW has a unique engine balancing system that does a pretty good job, but mine had high frequency vibes at about 5,000rpm. That's 80mph indicated on the F800 with its shorter gearing.

The front sprocket is interchangeable between all 3. If you change sprockets to a 17 tooth, like stock on the F650/f700 it reduces rpm to 4,700rpms at 80.

Too many cracked tanks IMO, it has been going on since the bikes were introduced. It is covered by the 3 year warranty, a replacement tank has its own 2 year warranty.

You rarely hear of it on non US bikes, the only difference is we get the charcoal canister which is part a system to vent the gas tank. It has a spring loaded ball valve, so maybe a connection? I believe it gets plugged sometimes and you can hear the escape of pressure in the tank when you open the gas cap when it does.

Initially the vibes annoyed me because of their high frequency. Bar cozies on the grips helped. I have richened the fuel mixture on my F800 and pull a 17 sprocket with the added power. I don't have any vibes.

The difference in top speed between the F700 and F800 is 5mph. I never tested it.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:52 PM   #22
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This is something I don't quite understand... the 700 and 800 both list the same 798cc engine, but the 800gs has 15% more torque and 20mph higher topspeed..?

Is that magic from the higher octane fuel recommendation?
Blow you mind some more... the F800GT is 90hp, 63Ftlbs same engine.. and has 69 vrs 60 estimated mpg!

Well, that last bit is probably aerodynamics and more superman riding position.
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Old 08-23-2014, 06:55 PM   #23
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No test ride today, they were busy. But did sit on the one I wanted, tried all three seat configs and like the lower seat the best.

I'll test ride next week.

That said, my gf says the bike has no style or "soul" lol I love it so not sure what she's talking about!
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Old 08-23-2014, 08:20 PM   #24
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It's not the best looking bike out there, that's for sure, but then, it's all very subjective.

Looks aside, the F700GS has ticked a lot of boxes for me - smooth engine with decent low end torque, upright riding position, not too heavy, good handling, easy to control.

F700GS aside, have you looked at the Triumph Tiger 800? From the looks perspective, I like the Tiger better. The 3-cylinder engine on the Tiger is also very nice. The main reason I did not buy it was the seat height. My F700GS has the lowered suspension and low seat which makes it a lot more manageable as I am somewhat in-seam challenged.
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It's not the best looking bike out there, that's for sure, but then, it's all very subjective.

Looks aside, the F700GS has ticked a lot of boxes for me - smooth engine with decent low end torque, upright riding position, not too heavy, good handling, easy to control.

F700GS aside, have you looked at the Triumph Tiger 800? From the looks perspective, I like the Tiger better. The 3-cylinder engine on the Tiger is also very nice. The main reason I did not buy it was the seat height. My F700GS has the lowered suspension and low seat which makes it a lot more manageable as I am somewhat in-seam challenged.
I did look at the tiger, it's a bit tall and heavy for me, mostly tall and then, I didnt care for the looks as much as I did for the F700GS.

So, anyone looking for a Moto Guzzi V7 Classic?
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Old 08-23-2014, 09:05 PM   #26
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Used to ride Hollister Hills pretty often on my YZ250F before moving to the valley from Santa Cruz. Don't ride there anymore.

You'll do fine. Stay on easy "green" marked trails at first. If you have a problem there are rangers, volunteer patrol and cool people to help. I've picked up a ton of riders who got lost, crashed or helped them when they couldn't make it thru a tough section. It's a cool park but a little crowded on the weekends. Bring a riding bud and have fun.
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That said, my gf says the bike has no style or "soul" lol I love it so not sure what she's talking about!
What is she talking about? It has Bill the Cat headlights!

Or Invader Zim, depending on your age...
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:59 AM   #28
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Haha bill the cat... Yes :)

Yeah she is an artist and she says she's willing to put up with more to have the quirky bike whereas I am done with it. This is the last straw for me. Plus I'm ready for something a little bigger and more power!
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Old 08-24-2014, 08:45 PM   #29
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If you are looking for road only then a lowered Tiger 800 is better than the GS. Butter smooth engine and more power. If you want to do offroad than GS is the better option

Problems I had with my 2009 800 (that I can remember):
cracked tank
leaky head gasket
fuel pump and 2 controllers
Stator
cracked rear fender (under seat)
eats head bearings and wheel bearings

After all that I've put more miles on the GS than any other bike I've owned in 30 plus yrs of riding.
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Old 08-24-2014, 08:51 PM   #30
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If you are looking for road only then a lowered Tiger 800 is better than the GS. Butter smooth engine and more power. If you want to do offroad than GS is the better option

Problems I had with my 2009 800 (that I can remember):
cracked tank
leaky head gasket
fuel pump and 2 controllers
cracked rear fender (under seat)
eats head bearings and wheel bearings

After all that I've put more miles on the GS than any other bike I've owned in 30 plus yrs of riding.
I would like to do some off road, but primarily road.

Hmm those are bad things! Damn! But you likes it enough to ride it the most, so that says a lot :)
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