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Old 08-24-2014, 07:11 AM   #1
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Penalties

what are the penalties for riding trail not designated for motorcycles? How would someone know they are illegal? no signs prohibiting motor cycles or enabling hikers bicyclists etc

Ask Ranger? they will say no (even if they do not have any basis for the no) it's easy for them they will not get in trouble saying no

South Shore Lake Tahoe: Power line trail. Starts @ Corral OHV park; ends outside of park (saddle rd), lot of side trails, easy for me to get lost. Single track fit for bicycles, hikers, bears; easy fun through woods rode TLR 200 ran across bicyclist who said trail not 4 motorcycles, asked more questions than he should have. Told him no signs 4 motorcycles; signs for no ski mobiles, quads, skis, skate boards (motorcycles not referenced so) I rode the trail It really was a fun little trail. Will try to find out what penalty for catching me on trail and how defined to public. South Lake Tahoe is really picky many bicyclist who believe others do no have a reason to live ditto hikers or land owners who not into sharing the wealth
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:39 AM   #2
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USFS standard ticket is $175.00.

The new rule says if it's not POSTED open, it's closed. The symbol system is used for type of use, bicycle, motorcycle, horse, hiker, quad, jeep, etc. some are multi use some are not.

There are many more miles of trails out there than rangers, choose you trails wislely...

Common sense and courtesy are the key, tread lightly.
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Old 08-24-2014, 08:22 AM   #3
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Motor Vehicle Use guide.

pcvance - I'm trying to find something supporting "The new rule says if it's not POSTED open, it's closed." but can't. Can you link something? Reasonableness (I know, not common in Gov't oversight) would say - such as the long discussed "lane splitting" - that if there isn't a rule specifying against an activity, it's allowed.

I can't imagine every trail being closed unless it's specifically marked OPEN to the following (symbol).
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:09 AM   #4
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Perhaps this will help?
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/tahoe/...telprdb5274868

Look at the MVUM to see if you trail is listed. If you have a smart phone, download Avenza PDF maps for free an you can view your position on the map if the phone is GPS equipped.
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:37 AM   #5
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Here is a simple solution just put these up everywhere you go.

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Old 08-24-2014, 11:03 AM   #6
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Here is a simple solution just put these up everywhere you go.

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Old 08-24-2014, 11:09 AM   #7
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:24 AM   #8
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Here is a simple solution just put these up everywhere you go.

Agreed - best answer ever.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:32 AM   #9
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The bottom line is that it's the riders responsibility to know what trails are legal. Down load an MVUM (Motor Vehicle Use Map), print it and carry it with you.

Many times Hikers and Mt Bikers do not really know what is open and closed to motos because they have no onus to know what is open or closed since they can go everywhere.

I have had hikers tell me a trail is closed to motos while standing in front of the sign that clearly says they are open. I let him jabber on while looking at the moto sign over his right shoulder. Once he was finished I told him to spin around and read the sign. I then informed him he had a strange way of being misinformed.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:33 AM   #10
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"The new rule says if it's not POSTED open, it's closed."

This can be deceiving since the pedestrians are not beyond taking down signs in order to keep the trail to themselves.

An updated MVUM is your best friend.
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. Down load an MVUM (Motor Vehicle Use Map), print it and carry it with you.
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thats so yesterday like verboten i carry it on my phone and can show anyone where WE are if they try to tell me I cant be there
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:46 AM   #12
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Example from the Yuba MVUM:

It is prohibited to possess or operate a motor vehicle on
National Forest System lands on the Yuba River Ranger
District other than in accordance with these designations
(36 CFR 261.13).

Violators of 36 CFR 261.13 are subject to a fine of up to
$5,000, imprisonment for up to 6 months, or both
(18 U.S.C.
3571(e)). This prohibition applies regardless of the presence
or absence of signs.


This map does not display non motorized uses, over-snow
uses, or other facilities and attractions on the Yuba River
Ranger District. Obtain forest visitor information from the local
national forest office.


The designation "road or trail open to all motor vehicles"
does not supersede State traffic law.


It is the responsibility of the user to acquire the current
MVUM.
This map shows the National Forest System roads,
National Forest System trails, and the areas on National
Forest System lands in the Yuba River Ranger District that are
designated for motor vehicle use pursuant to 36 Code of
Federal Regulations (CFR) 212.51. This MVUM also identifies
the vehicle classes allowed on each route and in each area;
and any seasonal restrictions that apply on those routes and in those areas.
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thats so yesterday like verboten i carry it on my phone and can show anyone where WE are if they try to tell me I cant be there
Very nice

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Old 08-24-2014, 01:03 PM   #14
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Don't stop and talk with bikers or hikers while riding. Give them a friendly wave and continue on. Ride where people aren't.
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Old 08-24-2014, 04:24 PM   #15
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Unless they lay down in the middle of the trail to block you.
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