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Old 08-24-2014, 07:44 PM   #16
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Something like this?
http://apps.fs.usda.gov/TravelAccess/
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:13 PM   #17
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Unless they lay down in the middle of the trail to block you.
Then you just use them for traction...
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:21 PM   #18
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The bottom line is that it's the riders responsibility to know what trails are legal. Down load an MVUM (Motor Vehicle Use Map), print it and carry it with you.

Many times Hikers and Mt Bikers do not really know what is open and closed to motos because they have no onus to know what is open or closed since they can go everywhere.

I have had hikers tell me a trail is closed to motos while standing in front of the sign that clearly says they are open. I let him jabber on while looking at the moto sign over his right shoulder. Once he was finished I told him to spin around and read the sign. I then informed him he had a strange way of being misinformed.
That's a great story, I had a MTB'er throw his arms in the air at me like I should not be riding "off trail" near Bishop. I was blasting around in the bushs in a legal "open BLM riding area". I always try to ride where other people aren't. It's hard to know sometimes what is legal, he just didn't know.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:21 PM   #19
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Then you just use them for traction...
Bunny hop or a seat bounce em like a little kicker jump.

But seriously I don't stop for anyone.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:37 PM   #20
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The Mt Bikers drive me crazy. I'm a Mt Biker but I hate the snobby superior attitude many of them have. Plus the fact that the new generation of mt bikers does not realize that most of the trails they ride were created by motos
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Old 08-25-2014, 08:05 AM   #21
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A lot of the MVUMs are not that great of a map. One would be hardpressed to look at one and then go find a trail or road.

This makes for a nice excuse if caught. I recommend carrying the map with you and if caught pull it out and say "Gee I thought I was on this legal road".

We ride a lot in the Santa Fe National Forest. There are no markings whatsoever on roads and trails saying that they are open or closed. You are supposed to have and understand the map.

Theoretically the first year or two of the Travel Management process is supposed to be an Informational Period where LEOs are only supposed to warn you if you are on an illegal road.
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Old 08-25-2014, 10:44 AM   #22
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Old 08-25-2014, 11:30 AM   #23
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Just do what I do and ride. Don't worry about it. Not a big deal. I ride where I want year round anywhere I pay taxes on. Exception would be fenced off stuff and private property. Of course my bikes are quiet and I'm polite to hikers, mountain bikers, and people on horseback.
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Old 08-25-2014, 11:51 AM   #24
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Question answered

1brunoj Asks ,

"What are the penalties"

PcVance Replies ,

USFS standard ticket is $175.

So what are you all talking still about. That is nothing compared to 80 in a 25. and I don't get points. So its cheaper than a day out on the twisties, and safer.
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:55 PM   #25
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Example from the Yuba MVUM:

It is prohibited to possess or operate a motor vehicle on
National Forest System lands on the Yuba River Ranger
District other than in accordance with these designations
(36 CFR 261.13).

Violators of 36 CFR 261.13 are subject to a fine of up to
$5,000, imprisonment for up to 6 months, or both
(18 U.S.C.
3571(e)). This prohibition applies regardless of the presence
or absence of signs.


This map does not display non motorized uses, over-snow
uses, or other facilities and attractions on the Yuba River
Ranger District. Obtain forest visitor information from the local
national forest office.


The designation "road or trail open to all motor vehicles"
does not supersede State traffic law.


It is the responsibility of the user to acquire the current
MVUM.
This map shows the National Forest System roads,
National Forest System trails, and the areas on National
Forest System lands in the Yuba River Ranger District that are
designated for motor vehicle use pursuant to 36 Code of
Federal Regulations (CFR) 212.51. This MVUM also identifies
the vehicle classes allowed on each route and in each area;
and any seasonal restrictions that apply on those routes and in those areas.
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1brunoj Asks ,

"What are the penalties"

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USFS standard ticket is $175.

So what are you all talking still about. That is nothing compared to 80 in a 25. and I don't get points. So its cheaper than a day out on the twisties, and safer.
Miss the other post about the up to $5k + jail time penalty?
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:27 PM   #26
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Miss the other post about the up to $5k + jail time penalty?
The Emperor has spoken... has anyone ever been charged for this? 5K + jail?

No one I know has. I've heard bikes could be impounded too? Is it true?

The Feds can do anything they want to I suppose.
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:45 PM   #27
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The Emperor has spoken... has anyone ever been charged for this? 5K + jail?

No one I know has. I've heard bikes could be impounded too? Is it true?

The Feds can do anything they want to I suppose.
It's all rumor, scare tactics, and paranoia. The feds can do pretty much anything they want. Picking on bike riders is not one of them. OTOH, Asswipes who chop through fences, makes a lot of noise, and ignores do not enter/no trespassing signs get what they deserve.

Hell I just saw a post over at TT a few weeks back bragging of a "secret hillcimb". All the guys were gathered around a chopped up fence hiding like pussies behind their helmets. To me that's a legitimate excuse to impound the bikes and put the perpetrators in jail.
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Old 08-25-2014, 06:14 PM   #28
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The Emperor has spoken... has anyone ever been charged for this? 5K + jail?

No one I know has. I've heard bikes could be impounded too? Is it true?

The Feds can do anything they want to I suppose.
I asked the SBNF about that... they said it is bragged about in the Sequoia NF but that they don't do it cause they don't believe it's enforceable.

$175 unless you are caught red handed poaching in Wilderness Area... then it gets uglier.
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Old 08-25-2014, 11:09 PM   #29
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I asked the SBNF about that... they said it is bragged about in the Sequoia NF but that they don't do it cause they don't believe it's enforceable.

$175 unless you are caught red handed poaching in Wilderness Area... then it gets uglier.
I don't hunt without a license so all is good!
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Old 08-25-2014, 11:21 PM   #30
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South Shore Lake Tahoe: Power line trail. Starts @ Corral OHV park; ends outside of park (saddle rd), lot of side trails, easy for me to get lost. Single track fit for bicycles, hikers, bears; easy fun through woods rode TLR 200 ran across bicyclist who said trail not 4 motorcycles, asked more questions than he should have. Told him no signs 4 motorcycles; signs for no ski mobiles, quads, skis, skate boards (motorcycles not referenced so) I rode the trail It really was a fun little trail. Will try to find out what penalty for catching me on trail and how defined to public. South Lake Tahoe is really picky many bicyclist who believe others do no have a reason to live ditto hikers or land owners who not into sharing the wealth
Same comments you get when riding all the cool mountain bike trails near Snow summit in Big Bear. Last few seasons I have been riding them with no issues at all. Pretty fun actually. Perfectly legal. No signs restricting motorcycles.
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