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Old 11-17-2005, 02:44 AM   #31
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I just found an interesting pic of an F800ST:



I like it - I think an Adventure variant with long travel suspension, larger spoked wheels, chain drive, high fender, and abreviated fairing would look terrific. I'm not so sure about those panniers tho...? Look - it has a center stand! And that spin on oil filter is just asking for a skidplate. Damn I love those pipes!

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That's a good looking bike. I like it a lot.
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Old 11-17-2005, 06:15 AM   #32
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Other pics - this site has pics from the ongoing Milan Show:

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/Milan2005.htm

F800S:



F800ST



And here is a doozy of a R1200S:



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I can't seem to see the bike. Can you guys see a bike there? Must be my eyesight is going.

Even if they don't do a GS version, that F800ST is going to be one great bike.
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Old 11-18-2005, 03:14 PM   #33
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Aprilia Pegaso 650 Trail

http://www.aprilia.com/models03/adve...lo.phtml?id=92#

Maybe it will look like this or a R1200GSA only smaller.
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Old 11-18-2005, 03:29 PM   #34
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Old 11-18-2005, 03:44 PM   #35
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A reasonably priced water-cooled twin making 60 - 80 hp would negatively impact 1200GS sales, I would think.

I'd like to see this new 330-lb. single though. What's that, 100 pounds lighter than the F650?
F650 is 388lbs, and I can't see them using the new twin in a new adventure bike. The F650 weighs 175kgs, R1200GS 199kgs. That's only 24kgs for the new twin bike to play in, cause if it weighs more than the R12, what's the point?
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Old 11-18-2005, 07:28 PM   #36
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F650 is 388lbs, and I can't see them using the new twin in a new adventure bike. The F650 weighs 175kgs, R1200GS 199kgs. That's only 24kgs for the new twin bike to play in, cause if it weighs more than the R12, what's the point?
388 lbs ??? Yeah, right...


F 650 Dakar
Engine
EngineMSRP: $9,540
Type Water-cooled, 4-stroke single cylinder
Bore x stroke 3.94 x 3.27 in. (100.0 x 83.0 mm)
Displacement 652 cc
Valvetrain Double overhead camshaft, 4 valves per cylinder.
Horsepower 50 bhp @ 6,500 rpm
Torque 44 lb-ft @ 5,000 rpm
Compression 11.5:1
Fuel system Electronic fuel injection.
Ignition system Electronic ignition.
Engine management Bosch Motronic System (BMS).
Emissions control 3-way catalytic converter(open loop).
Fuel capacity 4.0 gallons including 0.7-gallon reserve(15.1/2.7 liters).
Fuel Requirements Premium unleaded
Drivetrain
Drivetrain
Drive system Roller chain
Gearbox 5-speed manual.
Gear ratios
1st:2.750:1
2nd:1.750:1
3rd:1.310:1
4th:1.050:1
5th:0.880:1
Clutch Multi-plate in oil bath.
Final drive 2.940:1
Suspension
Suspension
Front 1.61 in.(41 mm) telescopic fork with stabilizer bridge. 8.3 in.(210 mm) of travel
Rear Central spring/strut actuated by lever-linkage. spring setting and rebound damping continuously adjustable. 8.3 in.(210 mm) of travel.
Frame Bridge-type, square-section steel tube with bolt-on rear section.
Brakes
Brakes
Front Single 11.8 in.(300mm) diameter rotor with twin-piston caliper.
Rear Single 9.45 in.(240mm) diameter rotor with single-piston caliper.
Actuation Hydraulic
Anti-lock Optional. (Can be switched off.)
Wheels/Tires
Wheels/Tires
Front wheel 1.60 x 21 MT wire spokes.
Rear wheel 3.00 x 17 wire spokes.
Front tire 90/90x21 54 tube-type.
Rear tire 130/80R-17 tube-type.
Dimensions
Dimensions
Overall length 85.6 in.(2175mm)
Overall width 35.8 in.(910mm)
Wheelbase 58.3 in.(1480mm)
Seat height 34.3 in.(870mm)
Ground clearance 5.12 in.(130mm)
Dry weight412 lb.(187kg)
Wet weight441 lb.(200kg)
GVWR 834 lb.(378kg)
Top speed 103 mph(166km/h)
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Old 11-18-2005, 07:45 PM   #37
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While visiting my dealer today to pick up that waterproof duffel bag BMW has ( anyone got one ? ) , we started talking about the F 800 whatever it is or will be. But I thought it interesting that BMW NA is sold out of the 2005 F 650 GS and has just announced a $ 1000.00 price reduction on new, 2006 F 650's. It's not normal marketing stategy to sell out a model year and go out and reduce cost of the new model year bike by a 1000 bucks....unless you wanted to move them out. Seems to me and the Service Mgr that if they can bring one in under $ 11,000, a baby GS could be in the future.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:57 AM   #38
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There are a half a dozen more new F800 pics here, half way down:

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/Milan2005.htm

Here's a nice one:



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Old 11-20-2005, 10:07 AM   #39
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I'd be a player for an 800cc adventure-sport-tourer. In fact, and I've said this many times before, there's nothing I've done on my 1150G that I couldn't have done on my SO's F650GS. So an 800 might be really just right for my needs.

BTW, Gezerbike, I recently spent three days working a BMW bike show display with some of their corporate guys. I asked and was told that the 650's price drop is intended to make room in the line-up (price-wise) for the upcoming 800s. Interestingly, people were all over the two 650GSs in the display (one, a Dakar) all three days. Lotsa questions, trial fitting, positive comments, etc. And fwiw, they're all sold out, around here at least.

Oh well, interesting times at BMW, that's for sure. I'm really looking forward to seeing what develops GS-wise with this new 800. Especially if it becomes available with the new conventional (unlinked and non-power assisted) ABS system that's debuting on the upcoming 1200S.

Great time to be a gearhead!
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Old 11-20-2005, 10:08 AM   #40
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I wonder if they all come equiped with a polish and rag toting girl...
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Old 11-20-2005, 11:00 AM   #41
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I'd be a player for an 800cc adventure-sport-tourer. In fact, and I've said this many times before, there's nothing I've done on my 1150G that I couldn't have done on my SO's F650GS. So an 800 might be really just right for my needs.

BTW, Gezerbike, I recently spent three days working a BMW bike show display with some of their corporate guys. I asked and was told that the 650's price drop is intended to make room in the line-up (price-wise) for the upcoming 800s. Interestingly, people were all over the two 650GSs in the display (one, a Dakar) all three days. Lotsa questions, trial fitting, positive comments, etc. And fwiw, they're all sold out, around here at least.

Oh well, interesting times at BMW, that's for sure. I'm really looking forward to seeing what develops GS-wise with this new 800. Especially if it becomes available with the new conventional (unlinked and non-power assisted) ABS system that's debuting on the upcoming 1200S.

Great time to be a gearhead!
Are 800s coming to US? And when? I like 'em.
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:30 AM   #42
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Belt drive

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after reading that release I wonder if they will ever build a boxer with a drive belt.
The orientation of the crankshaft in the BMW boxers make belts and chains impractical. My interpretation of the press release is that BMW praise the belt due to parts of the BMW communitys history of preaching the superiority of shaft drives, and the suckiness of other final drives.
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Old 11-21-2005, 07:27 PM   #43
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The orientation of the crankshaft in the BMW boxers make belts and chains impractical. My interpretation of the press release is that BMW praise the belt due to parts of the BMW communitys history of preaching the superiority of shaft drives, and the suckiness of other final drives.
You never know where there is a will there is a way. The belt seems lighter, quieter, and easier to maintain. Then again, I have a tendancy to talk out my ass.
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Old 11-25-2005, 03:29 PM   #44
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388 lbs ??? Yeah, right...


F 650 Dakar
Engine
EngineMSRP: $9,540
TypeWater-cooled, 4-stroke single cylinder
Bore x stroke3.94 x 3.27 in. (100.0 x 83.0 mm)
Displacement652 cc
ValvetrainDouble overhead camshaft, 4 valves per cylinder.
Horsepower50 bhp @ 6,500 rpm
Torque44 lb-ft @ 5,000 rpm
Compression11.5:1
Fuel systemElectronic fuel injection.
Ignition systemElectronic ignition.
Engine managementBosch Motronic System (BMS).
Emissions control3-way catalytic converter(open loop).
Fuel capacity4.0 gallons including 0.7-gallon reserve(15.1/2.7 liters).
Fuel RequirementsPremium unleaded


Drivetrain
Drivetrain
Drive systemRoller chain
Gearbox5-speed manual.
Gear ratios
1st:2.750:1
2nd:1.750:1
3rd:1.310:1
4th:1.050:1
5th:0.880:1
ClutchMulti-plate in oil bath.
Final drive2.940:1


Suspension
Suspension
Front1.61 in.(41 mm) telescopic fork with stabilizer bridge. 8.3 in.(210 mm) of travel
RearCentral spring/strut actuated by lever-linkage. spring setting and rebound damping continuously adjustable. 8.3 in.(210 mm) of travel.
FrameBridge-type, square-section steel tube with bolt-on rear section.


Brakes
Brakes
FrontSingle 11.8 in.(300mm) diameter rotor with twin-piston caliper.
RearSingle 9.45 in.(240mm) diameter rotor with single-piston caliper.
ActuationHydraulic
Anti-lockOptional. (Can be switched off.)


Wheels/Tires
Wheels/Tires
Front wheel1.60 x 21 MT wire spokes.
Rear wheel3.00 x 17 wire spokes.
Front tire90/90x21 54 tube-type.
Rear tire130/80R-17 tube-type.


Dimensions
Dimensions
Overall length85.6 in.(2175mm)
Overall width35.8 in.(910mm)
Wheelbase58.3 in.(1480mm)
Seat height34.3 in.(870mm)
Ground clearance5.12 in.(130mm)
Dry weight412 lb.(187kg)
Wet weight441 lb.(200kg)
GVWR834 lb.(378kg)
Top speed103 mph(166km/h)
Not sure where you got that from, as bmw motorrad site fact sheet says those numbers are 391/425, not 412/441. Dunno though, just going by what they say.
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Old 12-26-2005, 02:23 PM   #45
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F800gs threads consolidated.

Are there any news on the twin F800 powerplant attached to a newer Dakar or GS800 model?
Any pics?
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