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Old 11-11-2005, 10:03 PM   #1
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A life in the Canyon

Saw this for sale http://realestate.escapeartist.com/P-2000137
and have been thinking about looking into it as a base for dual sport riders in Copper Canyon.

Would you get involved in something like this or would it be too much of a hassle?
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Old 11-11-2005, 10:47 PM   #2
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Jay,

This may be the property than has/was been owned by a German fellow for a few years. I didn't stay there, but Antware and a few others may have. They may recognise the pics.

Rumor was that the German dude went to jail...but rumors are just that.

La Bufa is about 5 miles from the bridge and about 20 miles from Bat.

Remote, to say the least.
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Old 11-11-2005, 10:52 PM   #3
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Jay, a few of us had an unplanned stay there back in 03. As you cross the steel tressle bridge across the river heading towards Baltopilas you can see it up on the cliff...it's a great place.

It was owned by a German Hells Angel at the time (It's a long story). There was a main house, and I think two guest dorms with full plumbing, nice bathroom/showers etc, kinda hard to believe all the way out there. We camped in the Orange grove. There a great view of the valley/river/roadway from the deck outside.

The trails really narrow so it can be kinda tough to get the bikes right up to the house but it's doable. There was also a nice utility shed on the trail before you get to the house that could be used as bike storage.

I think an untapped resource is the mountain bike crowd...it'd be heaven for that...Creel-La Bufa....La Bufa-Baltopilas.
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:01 PM   #4
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Bobs got a memory like an elephant...

Here's a view from the rocks abaove the house looking down towards the bridge


This is us camped in the orange grove that seperates the main house from the guest houses



This is the entrance to the house



...and here's Mack squeezing his way down the trail to get there.

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Old 11-11-2005, 11:07 PM   #5
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I'd be interested to see how much land it comes with...some great trials bike riding up and over the mountain
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Old 11-11-2005, 11:17 PM   #6
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I couldn't swear to it but I think the German said he was buying it from the original owner/builder in El Paso. I think he was a chef or something like that and wanted to build a guest house/restaurant, sounds like the Germans gig fell through and it may still be in the hands of the original owner.
I know the Fella said he was having some legal issues with land ownership being a non-citizen and had lawyers involved.

There's a small Tarahumara community across the river and he paid them to take care of the place when he was away. There's also a small store and a cafe in someones home in La Bufa.

Could be the next "Mikes Sky Ranch"
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:33 PM   #7
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Saw this for sale http://realestate.escapeartist.com/P-2000137
and have been thinking about looking into it as a base for dual sport riders in Copper Canyon.

Would you get involved in something like this or would it be too much of a hassle?
Jay,

I sent an email to Don asking for some info.
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:13 AM   #8
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You had me from "Sweadish Backpacker Chicks"...I'd go in for a share, looks really cool. I bet that the seller would let it go for ALOT less. Flying into Chihuahua and riding the canyon in a weekend would be really cool...and potentially a huge adventure tourist attraction. Small XR/KLR fleet and a job as travel guide would be incredible.
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Old 11-16-2005, 03:51 PM   #9
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...and then work a deal to handle the guided tour groups, ie, Justin Lopez's place over at Cerocahui would make a great day ride from place to place.

A very cool place that would be Jay.
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Put me down for a tent spot in the orange grove please...
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:25 PM   #11
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Funny story.

I was crawling round at dusk looking for something to poung tent pegs in with and found a rock. I was just about finished when Fitz, the owner, came running across shouting,

"What are you doing?"
I looked at hime a little bewildered,

"I'm pounding in me tent pegs"

"Yeah...with a 2000 year old Mayan Vase"







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Old 11-16-2005, 07:05 PM   #12
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Wasn't there something about him leaving TX after the Feds started visiting and asking questions about selling/supplying goats and/or lambs to some muslim groups for sacrificial purposes?
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:33 AM   #14
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Old 11-17-2005, 02:31 PM   #15
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Wasn't there something about him leaving TX after the Feds started visiting and asking questions about selling/supplying goats and/or lambs to some muslim groups for sacrificial purposes?
yeah that was it, although to be truthful, i'd take anything he told me with a grain of salt.
He started out as a Hells Angel in Munich Germany, supposedly a relative died and left him rich. He packed his bags and somehow ended up graduating Texas A&M with some kind of agricultural degree, and started a goat ranch in Navasota, Texas.
The Feds came knocking after 9/11 and wanted names and address's of his Muslim business contacts, he alledgedly told 'em "If I wanted to live in a fascist country, I'd move back to Germany"

So, like I said, take it for what it's worth


He mentioned being in dispute with the builder/seller of the place, lawyers involved, threats of lawsuits, problems with paperwork/permits etc on the Mexican end

He had the same idea as Jay though, wanted to make it a base for moutainbiking/hiking/kayaking etc...he also had a BMW F650 up there.

You might wanna be careful what you tell the owner Jay...once bitten, twice shy, and all that...if you tell him you're somekind of vagabond motorcyclist that wants to start a mountain biking/backpacking cult, he's liable to shoot you


If I remember right, the fella that built the place was a chef/restaurant owner somewhere along the border
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