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Old 12-03-2005, 11:21 PM   #1
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Low Guard/Brake-line Recall 04-05Adventures?

I have seen information on this forum about front wheel lock-up caused by mud and the cross-over brake line/low guard on 04-05Adventures. It happened to me today in the middle of nowhere and all alone (to know me is ta hate me). Lucky 4 me I had the right tools, plenty of water and was traveling rather slowly, hence the bike stayed upright and I was adequately refreshed. I am now officially afraid of this bike. Are KTM gunna wait til someone dies before re-calling/modifying this problem.

After the event I started to think of the numerous times I've been traveling on dirt/gravel roads at speeds well over 100km/h and wondering about the consequences of front wheel lock up. It would only take one rock of the right size to really fuck up ya day.

The first lock up, approx 4k's down the track. Cleaned out mud and went on me merry way.




The second lockup, about 50m from the first one....grrrrrrrrrrrr. As you can see from the pic I only had to make it about 25m to solid ground. So I removed the guard, strapped it to the bike and set off on me merry way again. Wheel locked up within 10m's as the brake-line was locking the front wheel without the guard. Cleaned guard and placed it back on the bike and finally made it to solid ground.




This is all it takes. Not much mud by any stretch of the imagination.




Once I hit solid ground I removed guard and cleaned it again then set off 4 home (about 80km's) with this sense of foreboding that hey maybe the guard has been weakened and any little rock could cause this to happen on the tar at 100+km/h.


It wasn't all bad




Will ring me deala on the morrow and ask him to contact KTM with me concerns. Then I'll ring Dalby Moto and order the high guard mod.
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:07 AM   #2
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I think that swings it for me, I have been thinking of a high guard and brake line mod for a while now.
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:10 AM   #3
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c'mon man!..... are you serious?

Page 23 of the manual clearly states: 'Do not ride this motorcycle anywhere that may produce a build up of brown matter between the wheels and the seat - severe personal embarrassment may be a consequence'




get the high mudguard, QED!
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:15 AM   #4
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c'mon man!..... are you serious?

Page 23 of the manual clearly states: 'Do not ride this motorcycle anywhere that may produce a build up of brown matter between the rider and the seat - severe personal embarrassment may be a consequence'




get the high mudguard, QED!
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:28 AM   #5
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yup! dats the one, I don't read so good.... and on Page 25:

'if motorcycle performance causes aformentioned 'soiling' condition.. please remove the plug lead to reduce manner of power delivery in the most adverse conditions'
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:57 AM   #6
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"when front wheel locks up and tosses you over the bars please remove (at your earliest possible convenience) the brown matter between your anus and ya pants, assuming both your arms still work. In the case of arm malfunction blame the unmistakable stench on the first person to arrive at the scene thus redirecting any unwanted attention from yourself"

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Old 12-04-2005, 02:03 AM   #7
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and who says we men, never ever, read the instructions!
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Old 12-04-2005, 03:24 AM   #8
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Once I hit solid ground I removed guard and cleaned it again then set off 4 home (about 80km's) with this sense of foreboding that hey maybe the guard has been weakened and any little rock could cause this to happen on the tar at 100+km/h. Made it home and had me one of these babies., mmmmm.....beer.

It wasn't all bad.




At least you are drinking the best (light) beer in Australia , IMO.

Have been running a Dunlop 908 front tyre on my 05 ADV , which was picking up rocks and destroying the standard , low guard.

Did the cheap-skates high guard conversion.
Supermoto front guard , SX85 fork protectors and removed right side disc and caliper.
One disc , even with the stock master cylinder works fine , for me.
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Old 12-04-2005, 01:35 PM   #9
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At least you are drinking the best (light) beer in Australia , IMO.

Have been running a Dunlop 908 front tyre on my 05 ADV , which was picking up rocks and destroying the standard , low guard.

Did the cheap-skates high guard conversion.
Supermoto front guard , SX85 fork protectors and removed right side disc and caliper.
One disc , even with the stock master cylinder works fine , for me.

Best beer in the entire world.

Thanks for the info. Think I'll keep both me disc's as I use every bit of power they provide with one finger on the lever.

Will contact Dalby Moto today and order their high guard kit with the supamoto guard.

On a serious note someone's gunna go over the bars when this happens, hurt themselves and damage their bike. If you have this low guard talk to ya deala and let them know about this problem, I'm sure most of them (the deala's)would be aware by now. The more times they here about this problem the less they can ignore it.

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Old 12-04-2005, 11:01 PM   #10
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.... On a serious note someone's gunna go over the bars when this happens, hurt themselves and damage their bike. If you have this low guard talk to ya deala and let them know about this problem, I'm sure most of them (the deala's)would be aware by now. The more times they here about this problem the less they can ignore it.
They'll either dismiss it out of hand, or say.... 'shit yeah Man! that low guard is real dangerous..... why don't we do a high guard conversion and we'll pickup the tab for all the new parts and installation labour...'

Yeah right!

More likely,



Whadya expect 'em to do?...
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They'll either dismiss it out of hand, or say.... 'shit yeah Man! that low guard is real dangerous..... why don't we do a high guard conversion and we'll pickup the tab for all the new parts and installation labour...'

Yeah right!

More likely,



Whadya expect 'em to do?...

Braap - Destroyer of dreams, smasha of illusions, bringa of reality....you bastard

Ordered the high guard from Dalby today($330) before speakin with me deala as I would prefer to do this face to face. I'm sure, he will at least ring KTM with yet another complaint about the low guard, that's all I can really ask.

Don't think he will tell me to "eat him" as I've purchased 2 bikes from him this year as well as spendin a few thousand on accessories/services.

PS: thanks for the tyre info.
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:22 AM   #12
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my Parole Officer thinks I'm a nice guy deep down, too!... like, six feet down!

I'd be interested to know the 2nd brake line part number you get, I was fobbed off with a SX85 line and it aint right! the banjo at the master cylinder isn't cranked over enough so I got this big dumb ass loop above my bars that grows when the forks stroke thru.... shits me!

I'd really like to have a single line from the m/cylinder down to a T-piece / union at the lower triple clamp, then 2 lines down to calipers... sounds tidier?

What color SM guard?
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What color SM guard?
Go the black one.
The orange one doesnt match up very well with the painted tank/fairing.



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Old 12-05-2005, 01:05 AM   #14
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Hey there BSTARD.

Ive just gotta say...... I TOLD YOU SO!!

Remember when we went on that ride I mentioned this to you as a concern.

Good to hear you held on to it and no bark removed.

KTM need to look at the package of what people do with their product and modify accordingly.

Are you busy over Xmas and wanna play??

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Old 12-05-2005, 01:16 AM   #15
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my Parole Officer thinks I'm a nice guy deep down, too!... like, six feet down!

I'd be interested to know the 2nd brake line part number you get, I was fobbed off with a SX85 line and it aint right! the banjo at the master cylinder isn't cranked over enough so I got this big dumb ass loop above my bars that grows when the forks stroke thru.... shits me!

I'd really like to have a single line from the m/cylinder down to a T-piece / union at the lower triple clamp, then 2 lines down to calipers... sounds tidier?

What color SM guard?
Should get me bits by the end of the week, I'll keep ya posted.

Goodridge would be the folks to talk to about the junction thingo.
http://www.goodridge.net/maincat2002/SECTION7.pdf

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