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Old 12-13-2005, 07:53 PM   #1
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Darien liner worth the $?

I bought a used Darien light jacket from the flea market that didn’t have a liner. Now that it’s wintertime I need some more layers. So is the Darien liner worth the money? I would also use it under my 2 Piece Roadcrafter for commuting and really cold rides.
How about the electric liner?
Any other recommendations?

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Old 12-13-2005, 08:04 PM   #2
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I have the Darian with the Kinetsu electric liner. It works pretty good down to about 15.

I have to admit, though, that the Widder it replaced was hotter.

Still, it works just fine and zips into the Darien, so I like it anyhow.

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Old 12-13-2005, 10:17 PM   #3
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I have the Darien liner and love it!

It's 200 weight Polartec with nylon on one side -- additional wind-proofness inside the Darien -- Reversable -- black/grey. I wear it as a regular jacket most of the winter and sometimes skiing.

IMHO -- very nice.

That said, if you have a North Face or similar high quality polar fleece jacket, you don't really need the Aerostich one. I haven't tried it, but I think my North Face Denali will zip into my Darien.

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Old 12-13-2005, 11:01 PM   #4
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Nope.

Zip-in liners have a tendency to leak heat because they leave a gap in insulation right down the center of your torso (at least a wider gap than if you zipped it to itself). That's the place you're gonna lose the most heat riding a MC.

Just use a normal fleece jacket that you can get alot cheaper or better yet, some heated gear.

I love my aerostitch gear but I have to laugh when I look at how expensive their non-heated liners are.
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:15 AM   #5
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just went through this process. went to search the thread but it didn't show up. finally found it here http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106154
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:20 AM   #6
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Gerbings (full sleeved liner). Or I hear good things about the new warm and safe jacket. it is a more flexible piece that packs up smaller and will keep you warmer. The 'stich fleece stuff is nice, but for the money an electric liner will give you much more bang for the buck, imo.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:49 AM   #7
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its not much more than a regular fleece - so if you have one of those or can find one cheaper, i wouldn't bother with the darien liner. One nice feature however is that it has a self-storage pouch built in so if you want to pack it it is really easy - you just stuff it into itself.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:52 AM   #8
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Nope

I have one and never use it. Why? I typically just use the Gerbing or another fleece liner that I don't zip into the jacket. It's just easier to use a liner (Gerbing, fleece, whatever) that you put on and then put on the Darien/Kilimanjaro/Roadcrafter,etc...

My liner has been worn just a few time. If it's cold enough for a liner, then the Gerbing gets the nod. But I live in a cold climate (Colorado). Depending on where you live a fleece may be better.

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Old 12-14-2005, 08:04 AM   #9
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Nope.

Zip-in liners have a tendency to leak heat because they leave a gap in insulation right down the center of your torso (at least a wider gap than if you zipped it to itself). That's the place you're gonna lose the most heat riding a MC.

Just use a normal fleece jacket that you can get alot cheaper or better yet, some heated gear.

I love my aerostitch gear but I have to laugh when I look at how expensive their non-heated liners are.
The Kinetsu liner is electric, and windstop, plus it has a flap over the zipper, so no air leak. It is heavy, comfortable, and the zip-in feature helps to make it very easy to put on, especially since the pads on the Darian are only velcro attached, and easly get dislodged.

I don't know about the non-electric liners, but I really like the Kinetsu. It works down to about 35 degrees without even plugging it in, and down below 15 plugged in, ala last night on the ride home. My Gerbings gloves on high, with hand grips on high barely kept up.

I thought about the Gerbings liner because it get's hotter than the Kinetsu, but it wont zip into the Darian, so having to put on two layers seperately, plus the pads issue, make it not worth the hassle and additional cost. IMHO.

Jim

PS Sorry about all the commas!
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:14 AM   #10
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Darien Liner

Depends on where you live. I've used my Darien liner for years. Have the Gerbings, but unless I'm headed for the really high country I don't use it.
Layering is easy and key. In California, a long sleeved T-shirt, a medium weight sweatshirt and the liner keeps me comfortable until the temp gets below 35 and
I'm running at 70+. Then the wind-chill is about 14-17. A bit chilly, but not awful. Gloves are the issue with me.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:58 AM   #11
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I have the Darien liner and don't use it anymore. Not that it is bad, I just prefer their windblock fleece jacket (#1632 ). Its as warm and breathes much better. I always felt kind of clammy with the Darien liner, not so with the fleece jacket. It is also less expensive. Unless you buy both.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:16 PM   #12
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The Kinetsu liner is electric, and windstop, plus it has a flap over the zipper, so no air leak. It is heavy, comfortable, and the zip-in feature helps to make it very easy to put on, especially since the pads on the Darian are only velcro attached, and easly get dislodged.

I don't know about the non-electric liners, but I really like the Kinetsu. It works down to about 35 degrees without even plugging it in, and down below 15 plugged in, ala last night on the ride home. My Gerbings gloves on high, with hand grips on high barely kept up.

I thought about the Gerbings liner because it get's hotter than the Kinetsu, but it wont zip into the Darian, so having to put on two layers seperately, plus the pads issue, make it not worth the hassle and additional cost. IMHO.

Jim

PS Sorry about all the commas!
all the above reasons are the exact reason if I was to do it again, that's what I'd do. that said, the darien liner is nice. Gerbings is nice, in a "I wrapped an extension cord around my (non-wind breaking) body kinda way."
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:17 PM   #13
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just went through this process. went to search the thread but it didn't show up. finally found it here http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106154
Thanks, how did I miss that?


Lots of good comments from everyone, thanks for the information. Looks like I have more options than I thought.
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