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Old 07-20-2012, 06:35 PM   #2506
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Bleeding front brakes and clutch

Does anyone know if the brake fluid on a late model Guzzi, like a 2011/12 Stelvio (with ABS) be changed in the normal way? The workshop manual mentions purging the ABS with it connected to the Navigator. But can you do it without the Navigator?. Any links to a forum thread would be greatly appreciated.

Similarly, is it straightfoward to replace the clutch fluid as well?

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Old 07-20-2012, 09:27 PM   #2507
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Does anyone know if the brake fluid on a late model Guzzi, like a 2011/12 Stelvio (with ABS) be changed in the normal way? The workshop manual mentions purging the ABS with it connected to the Navigator. But can you do it without the Navigator?. Any links to a forum thread would be greatly appreciated.

Similarly, is it straightfoward to replace the clutch fluid as well?

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The clutch should be straightforward, but I don't know about the brakes with ABS.
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:03 AM   #2508
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Does anyone know if the brake fluid on a late model Guzzi, like a 2011/12 Stelvio (with ABS) be changed in the normal way? The workshop manual mentions purging the ABS with it connected to the Navigator. But can you do it without the Navigator?. Any links to a forum thread would be greatly appreciated.

Similarly, is it straightfoward to replace the clutch fluid as well?

Thanks H
From memory, without the Navigator you can change normally but you will not be able to change it all, there will be residues in the ABS unit. The Navigator has a function to activate the ABS pump to purge it of old fluid.

I believe anyway.

The clutch is easy - there's a spur pipe running under the seat with a nipple to make bleeding it simple.
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:21 AM   #2509
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The clutch is easy - there's a spur pipe running under the seat with a nipple to make bleeding it simple.
That's a nice feature Guzzi provided on my 1200 Sport too (so Norge and Breva would have had it as well).
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:30 AM   #2510
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What are the 2012 Stelvio's going for as in out the door pricing?
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:57 AM   #2511
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What are the 2012 Stelvio's going for as in out the door pricing?
US dollars, btw
MSRP + fees. Piaggio is getting smarter and not saturating the US market with the '12s, so they are holding their price (unlike the Yamaha S10's which are selling at $3500 under MSRP right now ....sounds like Guzzi 1-2 years ago here).

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Old 07-21-2012, 08:59 AM   #2512
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SM,

I don't know how to do those picture things but it's easy to find. Just remove that left fairing panel and it's right there with a wire tie around it. Have fun.
Thanks again Chuck. Sounds easy enough even a Sock Monkey can find it!

Have a great weekend. Just a few more sleeps until my NTX comes home.....

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Old 07-21-2012, 10:08 AM   #2513
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MSRP + fees. Piaggio is getting smarter and not saturating the US market with the '12s, so they are holding their price (unlike the Yamaha S10's which are selling at $3500 under MSRP right now ....sounds like Guzzi 1-2 years ago here).

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And unfortunately will be Guzzi again in another year with the Stelvio. It is a very precarious, slippery slope. Orders are made months in advance. As a Manufacturer and a Dealer you want to have enough of the new hotness so you don't miss sales, but you don't want to flood the market and de-value the bike by having dealers heavy on inventory, forced to turn them into cash to survive.

The number of units that will accomplish this is a moving target, and considering the lengthy order time the system by design just isn't dynamic enough to respond in a timely fashion. So what inevitably happens is the desire to capture every sale outweighs the desire to preserve sales at MSRP, and with increased supply the margins begin to erode.

I'd really like to have a Stelvio, but with a 1 year old T800 in the garage I don't need a Stelvio (though I do think my SO would be happier on the back of the Stelvio than she is on the T800). I'm perfectly content to let the market run its course and potentially pick one up at a later date. Or perhaps I'll just keep the trumpet indefinitely and pick up a V7 to compliment it.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:51 PM   #2514
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And unfortunately will be Guzzi again in another year with the Stelvio.
I guess we'll see, but based on what I'm seeing in the marketplace right now, I would have to disagree with this prognostication. My main reasons are 1) The Stelvio NTX just arrived in the US a few months ago, and the units that showed up first were all pre-orders, and 2) looking around the country right now, there are very few NTX's for sale. That last bit is a vast difference from what I see in the Yamaha S10 market (which is good and bad....good for people wanting to buy an S10 right now, bad for owners who may be thinking of selling theirs because the value has dropped by a bunch).

Anyway, I hope you're wrong and Piaggio gets it right. By all accounts, that would mean importing fewer bikes than they can sell, thus keeping demand high. As you say, a tough job....but do-able.

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Old 07-21-2012, 12:57 PM   #2515
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Have a great weekend. Just a few more sleeps until my NTX comes home.....

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I'm in Elk Grove and sat on your NTX when it first came in, want me to bring it over?
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:59 PM   #2516
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I'm in Elk Grove and sat on your NTX when it first came in, want me to bring it over?
Hey there!

For some reason I thought you were in SoCal??? Didn't know you were an EG guy.

Turns out they got 3 NTX's, all pre-orders. The other two went to their owners within 24hrs of the bikes being uncrated, but #3 became available when the guy that ordered it backed out. Bad for him, good for me!

Thanks for the delivery offer, but I've read your RR's (excellent reads by the way, thank you for those ) and I'm not sure I want the big girl delivered with a few thousand miles on her and covered in various bits of desert . Besides, I need to bring them my Duc, so I'll ride the red-headed Italian there and come home with the new dark haired Italian. I hope they don't create a ruckus in the parking lot....

Safe travels my friend.

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Old 07-21-2012, 04:13 PM   #2517
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Thanks for the delivery offer, but I've read your RR's (excellent reads by the way, thank you for those ) and I'm not sure I want the big girl delivered with a few thousand miles on her and covered in various bits of desert .

Safe travels my friend.

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A guy at work was gonna let me try out his newer Goldwing and somebody pointed out to him that I'd call in sick for a week and take it to Death Valley.

Congrats on the new bike, maybe next year for me.
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:19 PM   #2518
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I'm real happy for all the new Guzzi/Stelvio owners, they really are great bikes. Bought a little one myself.

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Old 07-21-2012, 08:11 PM   #2519
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I'm real happy for all the new Guzzi/Stelvio owners, they really are great bikes. Bought a little one myself.

Cheers!
Congrats!!!

The V7 is an excellent bike, which I'm sure you are already discovering.

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Old 07-22-2012, 04:18 AM   #2520
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I took my Griso in to RPM cycles in Dallas for its first service Friday and they had an 09 Stelvio with less than 1000 miles for sale. It was nice to be able to park my butt on one and see how it feels because I do have one on order. The Griso has made my GSA feel positively agricultural by comparison and ruined it for me.

Sitting on the Stelvio one thing stands out. It seems that the Italians know how to make a seat, it felt good for the long haul, though a brief sitting can be deceptive. Everything else seems very familiar to any GS rider. I suspect that I will reverse the risers to move the bars forward a bit if possible. I'm so looking forward to October.

Btw, I was in and out at RPM in 2 hours. They seem to be an ok bunch of folks there.
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