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Old 12-25-2012, 01:48 PM   #3661
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The main reason is to get the trail back in line, they bring the rake back to 25 degrees to get it to handle like a dirt bike, but then the trail is out of whack and you'd get death wobble if the axle was under the fork, so they move the axle forward of the fork to trick the trail into thinking there is less rake...walla...a good handling bike.
Back in the mid 70's, offset axle forks were introduced during the suspension revolution. To get longer travel forks without jacking the seat height through the roof, they came up with the offset axle slider.
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Old 12-25-2012, 02:02 PM   #3662
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Back in the mid 70's, offset axle forks were introduced during the suspension revolution. To get longer travel forks without jacking the seat height through the roof, they came up with the offset axle slider.

Right, but the bottom line is to get the trail back...when the forks got longer the trail geometry got fouled up, put the axle in front of the fork tube to get it back.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:28 AM   #3663
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I've watched this thread for a long time because I wanted an NTX in the worst way. Actually I still want one. But since I couldn't spend that much cash right now I went for an '06 1150 Adventure (I need the large tank for my 100 mile daily commute). After seeing all the gibberish about the fork failure I thought it prudent to post a friends experience with his '09 Stelvio. Let me first say its an awesome bike that I'd buy in a minute if the gas tank was larger.
Anyway; his fork cracked at the pinch bolt. He rode it that way throughout an off road dual sport ride (he weighs about 230#), then had it welded. Its been fine since.

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Old 12-26-2012, 10:08 AM   #3664
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I'm the proud owner of a 2013 NTX, having it for a bit more than a week now. My take thus far compared to the 08 GSA I owned since new and sold a few months ago with 46k miles.

The guzzi handles better at both very slow and high speeds. The suspension is more compliant, it holds a line better while leaned over in corners and has very good straight line stability. I think it feels much less top heavy than the GSA and thus would be less of a handful off road. The stock seat is better than the GSA, though not in the same league as RDL. The bike feels smaller and more tidy a package overall. I'm 6'2", 230 lbs and there's plenty of room for me. With the seat in the high position my legs are a long way from the cylinders. The windscreen performance is about the same on both bikes, I run them pretty low, my entire noggin is hanging out in the breeze. The guzzi motor gives me wood, it sounds great with the stock pipe, the boxer is just ok. It looks like the gas mileage will be better on the guzzi. The transmission is a bit slicker shifting on the guzzi too. I think the NTX in orange is by far the better looking bike.

The downside list is pretty short. The guzzi heated grips don't put out as much heat as those on the GSA and it doesn't offer quite as much wind protection to your legs. The ability to move your feet around on the pegs is a bit restricted due to the contoured frame. The panniers are better looking on the guzzi but you can't remove the key unless the lid is locked.

I'm looking forward to some serious road time on this bike.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:36 PM   #3665
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:55 PM   #3666
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I'm the proud owner of a 2013 NTX, having it for a bit more than a week now. My take thus far compared to the 08 GSA I owned since new and sold a few months ago with 46k miles.

The guzzi handles better at both very slow and high speeds. The suspension is more compliant, it holds a line better while leaned over in corners and has very good straight line stability. I think it feels much less top heavy than the GSA and thus would be less of a handful off road. The stock seat is better than the GSA, though not in the same league as RDL. The bike feels smaller and more tidy a package overall. I'm 6'2", 230 lbs and there's plenty of room for me. With the seat in the high position my legs are a long way from the cylinders. The windscreen performance is about the same on both bikes, I run them pretty low, my entire noggin is hanging out in the breeze. The guzzi motor gives me wood, it sounds great with the stock pipe, the boxer is just ok. It looks like the gas mileage will be better on the guzzi. The transmission is a bit slicker shifting on the guzzi too. I think the NTX in orange is by far the better looking bike.

The downside list is pretty short. The guzzi heated grips don't put out as much heat as those on the GSA and it doesn't offer quite as much wind protection to your legs. The ability to move your feet around on the pegs is a bit restricted due to the contoured frame. The panniers are better looking on the guzzi but you can't remove the key unless the lid is locked.

I'm looking forward to some serious road time on this bike.
Good review. This is very similar to my experience with my '06 GS (non-A) as well as riding a GSA. All very good bikes, but the Guzzi is something special.

Enjoy the new toy!

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Old 12-28-2012, 11:19 PM   #3667
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:43 AM   #3668
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Ooooooo, stevie...I'm jealous!!!
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:37 AM   #3669
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Looks good Stevie!

One word of caution. I see you have the matching top box (also made by SW Motech, just like the side cases). If you plan to travel over rough ground, you may want to look into an additional way to secure the top box to its mounting plate. One owner reported that his came off while riding off-road.

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Old 12-30-2012, 11:39 AM   #3670
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One word of caution. I see you have the matching top box (also made by SW Motech, just like the side cases). If you plan to travel over rough ground, you may want to look into an additional way to secure the top box to its mounting plate. One owner reported that his came off while riding off-road.

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Yeah, the mount is rated for 11 pounds if memory serves...you know, the weight of an empty box.
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:40 AM   #3671
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On that note, I have two beat-up and misshapen Guzzi-branded Trax side cases if anyone wants them. Free for pick-up in Colorado Springs. I'm replacing them with Pelicans.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:51 PM   #3672
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2013 colors

Are the US colors the same as they were last year?
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Old 01-02-2013, 02:07 PM   #3673
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Are the US colors the same as they were last year?
Yes.

http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/motorcyc...-1200-ntx.html

But, we're talking MG here, so 3 months from now they may get a great deal on white paint and viola......

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Old 01-02-2013, 02:46 PM   #3674
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Old 01-02-2013, 02:51 PM   #3675
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