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Old 11-01-2012, 05:48 AM   #48391
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You need nitrogen because it is an inert gas, meaning it doesnt fluctuate with temp.
Air will raise the bike when hot and lower it when cold.
I build rock buggys and use fox struts on them for the suspension.
Sucks because i have 2 nitrogen tanks and would fill them free for ya.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:54 AM   #48392
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anybody wanna talk to me about suspension settings?? specifically the rear. I have no experience working on suspension or setting it up etc.

i was fussing about with the little cylinder doo dad thats attached to the rear shock. has a little nub on the bottom to fill with air or nitrogen? i got out my pressure gauge it was at something like 30psi. i kept foolin and fussing with it and dropped it down to about 10 psi. now it feels springy. i put some air back in it up to 16psi.

i really had no idea what i was doing so i decided to stop. bike still feels a little springy in the back. whats the ideal setting for someone who lives in flat sandy FL with lots of sand whoops who weighs 150lbs? Thanks!

Edit: did a little research, apparently these little canisters can be filled all the way up to 150psi which i read seems to be normal for these shocks? filled the canister up to 150psi now (which is the max my air compressor can do). now it seems its back to how it used to be and the springyness has gone away (kinda stiff and not smooth and fluid like im hoping, but then again i dont know whats normal and whats not for these suspension settings)
First, you need to adjust the pre load of the rear spring for your weight and the gear weight you plan to carry on the bike. To do this you adjust the length of the rear spring ( see service or owners manuals ). The shorter the spring the more preload you have. Put all your stuff on the bike and sit on it in your normal riding position. Bounce the bike, the front and rear suspension should compress at the same rate. If the front goes down first the rear preload is too high. I believe you will like the handling with the rear a little softer than the front in the above test. if you need a service manual I can send you a PDF of one.

Another way I like to check my suspension is to ride with the sun at my side and watch the shadow of the bikes suspension as it goes across bumps. Remember you want the prelaods of the front and rear springs set so that the wheels roll over the bumps not bounce off the bumps.The nominal damping settings, + a click or two usually work best.

All the above is based on OEM suspension componets and fluids.Honda uses the spring length and not a sag dimension as some other bikes do.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:57 AM   #48393
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Might be getting my hands on a blown up '97 XR650L for almost free. Any chance my XL600 motor might fit?
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:59 AM   #48394
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+1, had an 05 WR450F, after about an hour on that seat I could tell you just how wide it was, and it wasn't very wide
That's why I stood most of the time when I rode my KLX, except on the slab where the cops frown on stuff like that.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:59 AM   #48395
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gah nevermind I didn't think about the dual carbs
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:25 AM   #48396
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I think nitrogen is used in shocks because a) it is dry and b) mixing oil and high-pressure air can be a bad thing.

N2 and air pretty much behave the same over temp.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:00 AM   #48397
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holy shit 10$ for a little squirt of nitrogen?!? i wont pay a cent for something that's found naturally in the air we breath. I know airplane mechanics have nitrogen since they use it in their fancy shock absorbers on aircraft. ill try to find someone that will hook me up for free! so 215psi is how much nitrogen i need? sounds like a lot!
If you can separate it yourself, it'll be free. Finding someone who will give it away is the best deal no doubt.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:01 AM   #48398
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gah nevermind I didn't think about the dual carbs
Use the XRL head...
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:08 AM   #48399
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Might be getting my hands on a blown up '97 XR650L for almost free. Any chance my XL600 motor might fit?
I've got a whole motor from a '99 that needs just a few hours work and you'd be rocking. It has 6K miles on it. I'm hoping to get close to $1K for it though because it's so fresh. I'm driving distance from you too.

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Old 11-01-2012, 08:20 AM   #48400
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First, you need to adjust the pre load of the rear spring for your weight and the gear weight you plan to carry on the bike. To do this you adjust the length of the rear spring ( see service or owners manuals ). The shorter the spring the more preload you have. Put all your stuff on the bike and sit on it in your normal riding position. Bounce the bike, the front and rear suspension should compress at the same rate. If the front goes down first the rear preload is too high. I believe you will like the handling with the rear a little softer than the front in the above test. if you need a service manual I can send you a PDF of one.

Another way I like to check my suspension is to ride with the sun at my side and watch the shadow of the bikes suspension as it goes across bumps. Remember you want the prelaods of the front and rear springs set so that the wheels roll over the bumps not bounce off the bumps.The nominal damping settings, + a click or two usually work best.

All the above is based on OEM suspension componets and fluids.Honda uses the spring length and not a sag dimension as some other bikes do.
awesome thanks for that! First im going to ride the bike out to the Sanford Airport (I know of some aircraft mechanics out there) they might set me up with some free nitro! Then ill do all that preload adjusting business. I'm good on the shop manual. I already have both a Clymers and official Honda
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Old 11-01-2012, 08:24 AM   #48401
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If you can separate it yourself, it'll be free. Finding someone who will give it away is the best deal no doubt.
I think I have this chemistry set in the attic that my friends dad gave me, something about me needing to hide the evidence?? anyway its mine now and hes in jail so im sure I can use it to get the nitrogen i need!
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:44 AM   #48402
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15 exact fit. 16 tight fit. ugh
What was I thinking 15/45 is stock
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:56 PM   #48403
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I'm going to ditch the stock, bendomatic handlebars and install some aluminum handlebars on my XR650L. Will I be able to use the stock cables with CR High Bend handlebars? Also, can someone recommend some good, heated grips?

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Old 11-01-2012, 01:17 PM   #48404
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I'm going to ditch the stock, bendomatic handlebars and install some aluminum handlebars on my XR650L. Will I be able to use the stock cables with CR High Bend handlebars? Also, can someone recommend some good, heated grips?

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I've used the grip heaters for a few years now and I really like them. There are a lot of the out there and they seem to all be pretty much the same. I went with the type that you glue to your handlebars then glue your grips to those, and I glued it all with 3M spray on adhesive. They never came loose and always heated well. The only thing you'll have to do is tap into the power somewhere and install a switch.

FWIW, when you install the switch I recommend you put it somewhere that you can operate the hi/low/off switch with your left hand

Something like this

http://www.cyclebuy.com/shopping/end...ip_heaters.htm

but like I said there are lots out there, and I'd go for one that has hi/low/off.

HippoHands are also a great addition to these

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Old 11-01-2012, 01:20 PM   #48405
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I'm going to ditch the stock, bendomatic handlebars and install some aluminum handlebars on my XR650L. Will I be able to use the stock cables with CR High Bend handlebars? Also, can someone recommend some good, heated grips?

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