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[MentalGuru]

Originally Posted by fritzcoinc

Just a second, I'll check, I gota find the new speed dial number I made for her.

SWEET!!! I call Conducter!!!

[pngaudioguy]

Originally Posted by MentalGuru

Lite beer??? Is that for drinkin two fisted???

Lite beer - that's the 7% dubbel you have for lunch so you can save the 10 and 11% tripels for the evening. Duvel tripel hop 2012 is heaven in a glass.

I should set either my race sag or spring length one of these days. I guess I don't ride the bike hard enough to know the difference. I adjusted the rebound rear and front until it didn't piss me off, and then went out and enjoyed being on the damn thing.

[fritzcoinc]

Originally Posted by pngaudioguy

Lite beer - that's the 7% dubbel you have for lunch so you can save the 10 and 11% tripels for the evening. Duvel tripel hop 2012 is heaven in a glass.

I should set either my race sag or spring length one of these days. I guess I don't ride the bike hard enough to know the difference. I adjusted the rebound rear and front until it didn't piss me off, and then went out and enjoyed being on the damn thing.

Question: Why no support for your fellow countrymen at KTM? They are in one of those Grematic countries arn't they?

Seriously, you just are not going to know if your as recieved suspension set is good untill you try a different set up.

[fritzcoinc]

You all might have guessed that things are pretty slow here in the Oil Patch with oil at a stinking $85 a barrel. Good for you at the pump, bad for the Houston economy, good for my post count! Good night

[Sub Zero]

Originally Posted by 3girlsdad

one of my regular riding buds came home with this yesterday. fuel injected, plated from the factory. had 147 miles on it apparently hadn't seen dirt. used words like orgasmic after he rode it. i haven't ridden it yet, but can't wait.

Pshh!! who cares about the seat! hell id even consider taking it off. im not gonna be sitting down while haulin ass though the FL sand whoops and trails actually I cant relate to ever being uncomfortable while riding a dirt bike on the street for long periods of time. (long periods of time meaning 100 miles in a day or more) must have something to do with my sweet young 21 year old ass cheeks

[Schultz!]

Originally Posted by pngaudioguy

I should set either my race sag or spring length one of these days. I guess I don't ride the bike hard enough to know the difference. I adjusted the rebound rear and front until it didn't piss me off, and then went out and enjoyed being on the damn thing.

That right there is the key! being content and or satisfied with the setup

Its chasing the personal idea of "perfection" that get me in trouble

Simple rule I have found out, unless your either board or not happy with the way something works Don't fuck with it!

[Schultz!]

Originally Posted by fritzcoinc

I am appaled to hear an ex Ford engineer, WITH Q-1 AND QS9000 training, tout a measurement system that has low repeatability.

Fritz you hurt me allot !

Never have I claimed to be one of them Engineers.... I was and am a technician, my brain wasn't removed of all practical common sence at graduation.( i kid i kid)

[Brown Falcon]

Originally Posted by Schultz!

That right there is the key! being content and or satisfied with the setup

Its chasing the personal idea of "perfection" that get me in trouble

Simple rule I have found out, unless your either board or not happy with the way something works Don't fuck with it!

I'm really bad at that being content thing. So far my XR has done everything I have asked of it, but I still want to see what I can do to make it better (like a fork brace). I'm only 150 pounds soaking wet, so I haven't had much trouble with the stock springs, but the front end still dives more than I would like.

This is also only my 2nd bike I've owned, and the first I've ridden on the street, so I have a lot of learn still.

[Schultz!]

One thing I forgot to point out about the rear suspension on a linkage bike is that the linkage depending on its geometry can be "progressive" or "linear". In most of my studies almost all linkage bikes have a progressive rear geometry making the force applied to the wheel while riding in the compression direction increase through the suspension travel allowing the suspension to absorb small stuff while not bottoming out when hitting harder terrain.

So purely as a example lets say at full rebound it takes 50lbs to move the shock 10mm, at bike plus rider weight lets say (static condition) 350lbs will move the rear shock 50mm now lets say you got a bit too drunk at the local bar and scored yourself one of them "snow cows" (women in the upper parts of Michigan) apply a extra 300lbs to the rider plus bike weight it will compress the rear shock let say 35mm. Once the hang over is worn off and you got away from the heffer you can plot your suspension travle based on weight vs MM. this would result in a curve, the curve will illustrate how many lbs to mm of suspension travel based on the position in the travel. knowing this can allow you to change either your spring or shock valving to better suite your needs. Another thing that allot of guys found out is using lowering links on the back of the XRL changes this geometry and from the testimony I have read it appears to allows the rear suspension to not progressively get as firm though its travel vs the stock link.


That sexy KTM 500 that was posted has a very close to linear spring rate due to the force created by the rear wheel is not mechanically increased or decreased by a linkage setup. A old co worker had a older KTM525 (non linkage like that 500) and he was raving how a progressive rear spring really improved his suspension setup.

Just more food for thought

[Schultz!]

Originally Posted by Brown Falcon

I'm really bad at that being content thing. So far my XR has done everything I have asked of it, but I still want to see what I can do to make it better (like a fork brace). I'm only 150 pounds soaking wet, so I haven't had much trouble with the stock springs, but the front end still dives more than I would like.

This is also only my 2nd bike I've owned, and the first I've ridden on the street, so I have a lot of learn still.

I salute you falcon! this thing kicked my ass all over the Arizona dessert and I'm close at 140ish hence the super moto future (btw seeing the ex marine tag I'm sure your muscle mass is a bit more then my scrawny asses)

A trick some of the guys over at TT were doing is draining the stock fork fluid and replacing it with Type F ATF (no friction modifiers like normal ATF) or 10wt jack oil to help with the front end dive issue.

My solution came via a 2000 cr250 and I'm with ya on still needing to learn allot

[taco250]

Any of you famili"ar with an inmate hear that goes by "Wachs"? I know him a little from living in Central OR and he got one of the first 525 factory DS bikes the first year they were available. He puts a Acerbis 6 gal tank on it and has ridden from Bend OR to Blackrock NV (ever heard of burning man?) several times going through the desert. He stands up most of the way. The Kmart Trash Machines are definitely on the dirt oriented side of DS but we all know that. They need more frequent maintenance 'cuz they're really tuned down race bikes. Otherwise, they're really well set up for offroad. If I could, I'd have a 250 or 300EXC for dirt play only to go along with my XRL. However, if I want to do multi day tours like TAT, the XRL is more appropriate IMO.

[Ben99r1]

Originally Posted by Brown Falcon

I'm really bad at that being content thing. So far my XR has done everything I have asked of it, but I still want to see what I can do to make it better (like a fork brace). I'm only 150 pounds soaking wet, so I haven't had much trouble with the stock springs, but the front end still dives more than I would like.

This is also only my 2nd bike I've owned, and the first I've ridden on the street, so I have a lot of learn still.

You can always shim or use a spacer to stiffen up the forks. If you dont like the way it turns out. let me know and ill send you another set of stock springs that I have. check out this link. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761715

[Sierra Thumper]

I just installed my RSW fork brace, and after contemplating how to keep the fork boots from bunching up and twisting/deforming, I came up with a super simple, easy, and reversible way to keep the boots looking and working like stock, with NO cutting or destruction of the boots in any way. And they can be put back to stock length if needed

I have my bike up on my stand for work, so its level and very easy to turn the front wheel to get to stuff. What I did is measured the distance between the fork boot pleats before I put the brace on.....then once the brace was installed, I slipped the boots down where they needed to be....and pulled down fork boot pleats until I had the same distance between the pleats as I did stock before the brace. It took 6 pleats compressed down to the bottom to get the stock fork boot length between pleats.

I then took a vey small nail, and made 6 holes in the top of the 6th compressed pleat that lined up with the 6 drain holes in the bottom of the boots, and ran small zip ties down through the top holes and through the drain holes, and cinched them up. That compressed the bottom 6 pleats tightly together, and gave me back the stock boot length look, and looks VERY good with the brace installed.

You need to unclamp and slide up the bottom of the fork boots of course to reach in and thread the zip ties through the drain holes......but the holes needed to be made are so small that they are completely invisible....and since I used a nail instead of slicing, the holes will never tear. So the boots could be put back to stock length with no damage whatsoever.
You need to use the zip tie size that comes for tying excess computer wiring etc...the smallest you can find. I bought an assortment in a plastic jug from Wal-Mart, and these were the smallest in the collection.

The finished job looks very clean and professional, and will keep your fork boots from binding/twisting and prematurely wearing out/tearing up. Plus it just plain looks good

My wife took some pics, I'll try and post them up....but I suck at picture posting, so I can't promise anything

I hope this helps somebody out....it was easy to do, and fixes a big problem that most of us fork brace users end up having to put up with

[Brown Falcon]

Originally Posted by Schultz!

I salute you falcon! this thing kicked my ass all over the Arizona dessert and I'm close at 140ish hence the super moto future (btw seeing the ex marine tag I'm sure your muscle mass is a bit more then my scrawny asses)

A trick some of the guys over at TT were doing is draining the stock fork fluid and replacing it with Type F ATF (no friction modifiers like normal ATF) or 10wt jack oil to help with the front end dive issue.

My solution came via a 2000 cr250 and I'm with ya on still needing to learn allot

Thanks for the info. I don't know about having more muscle mass, I'm pretty skinny, and I haven't really worked out in about 2 years since I got out. I would love to get some USD forks, but I've got more riding to do and other upgrades to buy before I spend money on that.

Originally Posted by Ben99r1

You can always shim or use a spacer to stiffen up the forks. If you dont like the way it turns out. let me know and ill send you another set of stock springs that I have. check out this link. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761715

Thanks. I'll be in touch.

[mendoteach]

Originally Posted by mcma111

Nice seat.






NOT!!!!

Yeah, ain't the Renazco is it Steve? Very, cool bike if you use it like it should be used. But as a pure dirt bike, it's a pig compared to a 250 smoker, which would feel positively toy-like after riding any 450+ thumper, and it would kill me to ride that thing eight hours a day-and not just because of the seat. Now I feel better since I couldn't afford one anyway.