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ThumpnRed · 12-24-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mcma111

Your fucking killing me. Now I have to break out the camera and take the cam apart.

Hold on, it'll be a while.

I always wanted to see what the insides looked like. Now I wont have to tear my spare apart.

mcma111 · 12-24-2012, 07:15 PM

The above picture shows the spring and roller at the 2' position incorrectly. The roller should be on the other end of the spring. It fell apart and I installed it incorrectly.

The above picture shows the correct orientation of the rollers and springs.

Spud Rider · 12-24-2012, 08:10 PM

Thanks for posting the great photos, Steve.

Pages 9-7 and 9-8 of the new Honda Common Service Manual describe how the automatic decompression system works.

This information is not available in the old version of the Honda Common Service Manual.

It appears the decompression cam will be held in place on the camshaft by the spring pressing it away from the camshaft. However, if the camshaft is tilted downward, the one-way roller bearing and the reverse decompression cam could fall off the end of the camshaft after the cam sprocket collar is removed.

Spud

RZRob · 12-24-2012, 11:25 PM

Steve, Man you are awesome! So I wasn't worried about the 3 Decompressor springs, but rather that one that slid into the cam perpendicularly with a pin too. So was it like that spring was super light tension? That last picture was gold! Looks like I have that right. I'm suspicious of that o-ring on the pump now. I definitely put it in, but it was tattered. Something's making it a tad rattly up top.

This is why I love my XRL. It's the people!

Merry Christmas fellow BRPers!

RZ Rob

Spud Rider · 12-24-2012, 11:40 PM

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Spud

Schultz! · 12-25-2012, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Spud Rider

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Spud

+1

MentalGuru · 12-25-2012, 06:07 AM

Merry Christmas

selkirkswamper · 12-25-2012, 06:30 AM

MERRY CHRISTMAS one and all !!!

fritzcoinc · 12-25-2012, 06:31 AM

Merry Christmas everybody!

mcma111 · 12-25-2012, 06:59 AM

RZRob,

Spring #6 can become a problem when it loses it's tension. My son's bike would not start when cold and I found that the engine would rotate around to TDC with a pressurized cylinder and not be able to get past TDC due to the decom not opening the right exhaust valve. I finally replaced that little spring and the engine would start normally again. I have a buddy's bike that is doing the exact same thing and we will be replacing the spring this coming week.

therealbigman · 12-25-2012, 08:23 AM

Merry Christmas Yall , .

Wattner · 12-25-2012, 08:35 AM

Amen friend.... Being from Texas, isn't it All Y'all????

Merry Xmas to all!!!!!!

snofrog · 12-25-2012, 08:43 AM

I am considering an XRL for its off road bias . Being air cooled, is it ever an issue with heat and riding slowly or idling ? thanks , Mark

EsconDeasy · 12-25-2012, 08:59 AM

Mine seems to run cooler at lower speeds.......perhaps my jetting is biased towards richer mixtures at lower throttle openings. Loads on the engine result in the highest temps for me. I am running dave's mods with the leanest recommended jets: 52/158 if I recall.
I have gone into the garage after a spring ride to hear the gas boiling in the gas tank (IMS 4.0)

I personally don't think additional finning or oil coolers are necessary on this bike as long as you take reasonable precautions to keep the bike cool. before I bought mine, the PO ran it 65 mph up Black Canyon hill on I17 year round and didn't frag the engine....that was with stock jetting

Spud Rider · 12-25-2012, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcma111

RZRob,

Spring #6 can become a problem when it loses it's tension. My son's bike would not start when cold and I found that the engine would rotate around to TDC with a pressurized cylinder and not be able to get past TDC due to the decom not opening the right exhaust valve. I finally replaced that little spring and the engine would start normally again. I have a buddy's bike that is doing the exact same thing and we will be replacing the spring this coming week.

Thank you for posting the valuable information. That spring makes the decompression cam rotate counterclockwise at engine speeds less than 800 rpm, engaging the right exhaust valve. When the engine is running (with speeds greater than 800 rpm) that spring is compressed by centrifugal force, and the decompression cam rotates clockwise, disengaging from the right exhaust valve. That decompression spring costs less than $2.

Therefore, I now plan to replace that spring with a new one every time I remove the camshaft for any reason.

Spud

12-24-2012, 07:15 PM	#50552
mcma111 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2007 Location: San Francisco,Ca. Oddometer: 8,168	XR/XRL Cam Decompressor Assembly The above picture shows the spring and roller at the 2' position incorrectly. The roller should be on the other end of the spring. It fell apart and I installed it incorrectly. The above picture shows the correct orientation of the rollers and springs. __________________ Steve in SF BMW's 58 R26 79 R100s 91 R100gs 87 Harley FXRS-SP ~ 06 KTM 625 SMC ~ 72 Honda CB750/915cc ~ 92 XR600/654cc ~ 95 XR650l/675cc ~ 03 CRF450r ~ 05 CRF450x ~ 02 XR650l/675cc ~ 86 YZ490 ~ 93 YZ80 ~ 93 XR650l Project

12-24-2012, 08:10 PM	#50553
Spud Rider Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Idaho Oddometer: 3,000	Thanks for posting the great photos, Steve. Pages 9-7 and 9-8 of the new Honda Common Service Manual describe how the automatic decompression system works. This information is not available in the old version of the Honda Common Service Manual. It appears the decompression cam will be held in place on the camshaft by the spring pressing it away from the camshaft. However, if the camshaft is tilted downward, the one-way roller bearing and the reverse decompression cam could fall off the end of the camshaft after the cam sprocket collar is removed. Spud __________________ 2005 XR650L: Shorai Battery Relocation, Spud Oil Cooler, XR650R C/S Sprocket, Reinforced Subframe, Chain Slipper Roller, Performance Design Lowering Link, Baja Designs Headlight, FMF Hi-Flo Header, ManRacks SD Rack, CST Surge I Front Tire, D952 Rear Tire, Tusk D-Flex Handguards, Uni Air Filter, No-Toil Evolution air filter oil Spud Rider screwed with this post 12-24-2012 at 08:16 PM

12-24-2012, 11:25 PM	#50554
RZRob Studly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Oddometer: 697	Above & Beyond Steve, Man you are awesome! So I wasn't worried about the 3 Decompressor springs, but rather that one that slid into the cam perpendicularly with a pin too. So was it like that spring was super light tension? That last picture was gold! Looks like I have that right. I'm suspicious of that o-ring on the pump now. I definitely put it in, but it was tattered. Something's making it a tad rattly up top. This is why I love my XRL. It's the people! Merry Christmas fellow BRPers! RZ Rob

12-24-2012, 11:40 PM	#50555
Spud Rider Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Idaho Oddometer: 3,000	Merry Christmas, everyone! Spud __________________ 2005 XR650L: Shorai Battery Relocation, Spud Oil Cooler, XR650R C/S Sprocket, Reinforced Subframe, Chain Slipper Roller, Performance Design Lowering Link, Baja Designs Headlight, FMF Hi-Flo Header, ManRacks SD Rack, CST Surge I Front Tire, D952 Rear Tire, Tusk D-Flex Handguards, Uni Air Filter, No-Toil Evolution air filter oil

12-25-2012, 06:07 AM	#50557
MentalGuru Crazy Diamond Joined: Aug 2011 Location: Mental Ward Oddometer: 726	Merry Christmas __________________ Praise the Lord!!! I have seen the light!!! He has shown me the promised land!!! TT for now...

12-25-2012, 06:30 AM	#50558
selkirkswamper hellbilly Joined: Apr 2012 Location: Selkirk, NY Oddometer: 116	MERRY CHRISTMAS one and all !!!

12-25-2012, 06:31 AM	#50559
fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8 Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Cypress, Tx Oddometer: 5,415	Merry Christmas everybody! __________________ Regards Fritzcoinc 96 XR650L, 96 Guzzi Sport, 07 BMW K1200GT, 86 Husky 400 XCE, 03 Harley Road King Police, 00 Husky Te 610 e, 1999 Husky TC610 SM, Google: TX7

12-25-2012, 06:59 AM	#50560
mcma111 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2007 Location: San Francisco,Ca. Oddometer: 8,168	RZRob, Spring #6 can become a problem when it loses it's tension. My son's bike would not start when cold and I found that the engine would rotate around to TDC with a pressurized cylinder and not be able to get past TDC due to the decom not opening the right exhaust valve. I finally replaced that little spring and the engine would start normally again. I have a buddy's bike that is doing the exact same thing and we will be replacing the spring this coming week. __________________ Steve in SF BMW's 58 R26 79 R100s 91 R100gs 87 Harley FXRS-SP ~ 06 KTM 625 SMC ~ 72 Honda CB750/915cc ~ 92 XR600/654cc ~ 95 XR650l/675cc ~ 03 CRF450r ~ 05 CRF450x ~ 02 XR650l/675cc ~ 86 YZ490 ~ 93 YZ80 ~ 93 XR650l Project

12-25-2012, 08:23 AM	#50561
therealbigman bout a dollar 3.98 Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Oddometer: 3,068	Merry Christmas Yall , . __________________ Marko 08 xr650l 99 xr650l 84atc200s 85atc200s 80ct110 99xr70 04xr50 85atc70 87trx70 Dumb ass people do dumb ass things

12-25-2012, 08:35 AM	#50562
Wattner Beastly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2003 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Oddometer: 2,775	Amen friend.... Being from Texas, isn't it All Y'all???? Merry Xmas to all!!!!!!

12-25-2012, 08:43 AM	#50563
snofrog Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Petersburg Mi 49270 Oddometer: 560	I am considering an XRL for its off road bias . Being air cooled, is it ever an issue with heat and riding slowly or idling ? thanks , Mark __________________ 08 Yamaha Fz-1 87 Yamaha Xt-600 soon I will own a dirty bike with a button instead of a lever

12-25-2012, 08:59 AM	#50564
EsconDeasy Ectomorph Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Oddometer: 1,095	Mine seems to run cooler at lower speeds.......perhaps my jetting is biased towards richer mixtures at lower throttle openings. Loads on the engine result in the highest temps for me. I am running dave's mods with the leanest recommended jets: 52/158 if I recall. I have gone into the garage after a spring ride to hear the gas boiling in the gas tank (IMS 4.0) I personally don't think additional finning or oil coolers are necessary on this bike as long as you take reasonable precautions to keep the bike cool. before I bought mine, the PO ran it 65 mph up Black Canyon hill on I17 year round and didn't frag the engine....that was with stock jetting

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