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Old 01-24-2013, 08:15 AM   #52231
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What use is that gun to a normal citizen?
If you say defense I say, bull, get a shot gun.
If you say target shooting, I say bull get a bolt action.
If you say eradicatring wild pigs, I say bull get a Rem. 742.
So why do you need one of these, especialty set up like that one?
Just to have it? I would estimate the investment in that one gun at around $7200.
Just my opinion and by the way I have been into guns all my life. Both hunting and competion.
What is the use of any gun to a normal citizen?
If you say defense, I say bull, get a knife.
If you say target shooting, I say bull, get a bow.
If you say eradicating wild pigs, I say bull, get some TNT.
So why do you NEED (see there you said NEED) any gun, especially any gun like any gun?

Please see Wbedient's Rant a few posts up.

Now keep this stuff where it belongs, in Jo Mamma, and get back to talking about XR650Ls please.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:16 AM   #52232
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What use is that gun to a normal citizen?
If you say defense I say, bull, get a shot gun.
If you say target shooting, I say bull get a bolt action.
If you say eradicatring wild pigs, I say bull get a Rem. 742.
So why do you need one of these, especialty set up like that one?
Just to have it? I would estimate the investment in that one gun at around $7200.
Just my opinion and by the way I have been into guns all my life. Both hunting and competion.

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You failed my test.
NOWHERE did I mention anything about anyones right to own any type of gun, only the suitability of a particular gun for a particular use.
WHY are gun owners so defensive?
When you fly off the handle like the above it makes you look like a NUT.
And when you write crap like this, you "look" like an
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:16 AM   #52233
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WOW this forum has gone in the toilet
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:16 AM   #52234
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Reinstalled the snorkel this morning with two plastic auto body and fender rivets Just for now until I can get the mods together. I took a photo but can't figure out how to post, lol.
Lets take a look at your problem.
You got a miss, more like a stall or hesitation at low RPM as I remember.
As previously mentioned there are a number of reasons that could cause this.
First on the list is it's cold and the engine is not getting warmed up.
The carb mount amy be cracked and leaking air.
The idel mixture adjuster may have been moved during a wash job, ect. ect.
There is a long list of things to check before making a radical change that may take a lot of time to sort out.
As stated, knock yourself out, and we are ALL here to help you.

Now if the stall is at low RPM ( less than 3/4 throttle ), how would improving the air flow into the filter box help?
At low RPM ypou could half the air flow and it would be twice as much as is needed at that RPM.

As to re-jetting.
It is a mith that the OEM jetted the engine lean for emmisions reasons. They are actually jetted rich to avoid NOX emmisions and to make sure the customer does not hole a piston with a lean air fuel mixture. Look up an air/fuel ratio chart. A gasoline engine makes more HP at a lean mixture than it does at a rich mixture.
This is not to say that in special cases of highly modified engines that a rich mixture is not required for maximum HP, sometimes it is. This is not the case in a stock motor, EVEN with an after market exhaust. Consider this; whats a better idea: market an exhaust that requires extensive carb. mods or one that just bolts on. Same goes for most aftermarket preformance enhancing products.
Except for Viraga I guess!

Grt a Smug Mug account for your photos.

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Old 01-24-2013, 08:18 AM   #52235
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Now keep this stuff where it belongs, in Jo Mamma, and get back to talking about XR650Ls please.
agreed
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:20 AM   #52236
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And when you write crap like this, you "look" like an
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:21 AM   #52237
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What is the use of any gun to a normal citizen?
If you say defense, I say bull, get a knife.
If you say target shooting, I say bull, get a bow.
If you say eradicating wild pigs, I say bull, get some TNT.
So why do you NEED (see there you said NEED) any gun, especially any gun like any gun?

Please see Wbedient's Rant a few posts up.

Now keep this stuff where it belongs, in Jo Mamma, and get back to talking about XR650Ls please.
Ah, because I target shoot.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:22 AM   #52238
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WOW this forum has gone in the toilet
Naw, just nothing else being posted. Thought I liven it up!
How I do?
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:23 AM   #52239
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Yup....forum name change..

"XRL GUN DEBATE SIGN IN"

Keep this shit in YO MAMA....






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OK dad.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:27 AM   #52240
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Naw, just nothing else being posted. Thought I liven it up!
How I do?
I think the general consenses is maybe a D-
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:34 AM   #52241
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Lets take a look at your problem.
You got a miss, more like a stall or hesitation at low RPM as I remember.
As previously mentioned there are a number of reasons that could cause this.
First on the list is it's cold and the engine is not getting warmed up.
The carb mount amy be cracked and leaking air.
The idel mixture adjuster may have been moved during a wash job, ect. ect.
There is a long list of things to check before making a radical change that may take a lot of time to sort out.
As stated, knock yourself out, and we are ALL here to help you.

Now if the stall is at low RPM ( less than 3/4 throttle ), how would improving the air flow into the filter box help?
At low RPM ypou could half the air flow and it would be twice as much as is needed at that RPM.

As to re-jetting.
It is a mith that the OEM jetted the engine lean for emmisions reasons. They are actually jetted rich to avoid NOX emmisions and to make sure the customer does not hole a piston with a lean air fuel mixture. Look up an air/fuel ratio chart. A gasoline engine makes more HP at a lean mixture than it does at a rich mixture.
This is not to say that in special cases of highly modified engines that a rich mixture is not required for maximum HP, sometimes it is. This is not the case in a stock motor, EVEN with an after market exhaust. Consider this; whats a better idea: market an exhaust that requires extensive carb. mods or one that just bolts on. Same goes for most aftermarket preformance enhancing products.
Except for Viraga I guess!

Grt a Smug Mug account for your photos.

damn fritz Im starting to agree with you more and more and more...about the jetting...

its also a myth to klr owners...they have the same carb and do the same mods, and with the exception of better throttle response or snapiness 95 percent of those who do the 22cent mods start complaing after the initial rides...

why? they have sucky gas mileage, soot, and they start becoming hard to start

the one thing that is INDEED lean on a klr650 for example as that for emissions purposed the plug up the pilot screw adjustment...so you actually need to drill the plug out and turn it out a turn or so to avoid hard starting.

on the similar carbed xrl, the slide drilling and shimming(not on all bikes) is what actually improves feel, and throttle response, NOT THE JETTING

thats what your after...jetting up, and using a blanket setting for all xrls is ludicrous...

On my klr650 cvk crab what I did as well to imporve snappiness is cut an inc off the diaphragm spring..this allowed the diaphragm and therfore slide to snap faster on decel making throttle response less flat which cv carbs suffer from,..

to note also is that on the klr forums a main jet change is not part of the typical (desnorkeling process)

anyways

Ill go back to my xr corner

later dudes
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:36 AM   #52242
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And when you write crap like this, you "look" like an
By the way you failed.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:40 AM   #52243
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I think the general consenses is maybe a D-
is there a z-

Fritz.......you suck a little...

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Old 01-24-2013, 08:44 AM   #52244
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damn fritz Im starting to agree with you more and more and more...about the jetting...

its also a myth to klr owners...they have the same carb and do the same mods, and with the exception of better throttle response or snapiness 95 percent of those who do the 22cent mods start complaing after the initial rides...

why? they have sucky gas mileage, soot, and they start becoming hard to start

the one thing that is INDEED lean on a klr650 for example as that for emissions purposed the plug up the pilot screw adjustment...so you actually need to drill the plug out and turn it out a turn or so to avoid hard starting.

on the similar carbed xrl, the slide drilling and shimming(not on all bikes) is what actually improves feel, and throttle response, NOT THE JETTING

thats what your after...jetting up, and using a blanket setting for all xrls is ludicrous...

On my klr650 cvk crab what I did as well to imporve snappiness is cut an inc off the diaphragm spring..this allowed the diaphragm and therfore slide to snap faster on decel making throttle response less flat which cv carbs suffer from,..

to note also is that on the klr forums a main jet change is not part of the typical (desnorkeling process)

anyways

Ill go back to my xr corner

later dudes
Yeah, drilling the slide should make for a quicker response due to a quicker pressure drop through the bigger air passages. But some of the hop up kits give you a weaker slide spring to accomplish the same end. If the slide opens quicker, more fuel will be required to cover the lean condition from the incresased air flow coming into the carb. This can usually be done with the idel mixture screw.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:45 AM   #52245
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is there a z-

Fritz.......you suck a little...

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