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Old 01-15-2013, 02:14 PM   #16186
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Time to find a new world.

A company that made NET profits in 2010 of 3.59 billion, 2011 of 2.06 billion, and should be doing about the same for 2012, just fired my boss, who has been with the company for about 20 years, because according the business models, he was a VP without enough departmental responsibilty. This after they forced him over the last year to outscource functions to India (where I had to go work in a town that smelled of burning human feces).

I've been told by my managers and those around me that no one here has received a bonus or a raise since 2007. As my "industry" keeps making billions in profits, I'm getting priced out of my neighborhood in brooklyn. I don't know how much longer I can stay in this city.

Oh I get it man. I a union carpenter and I make decent money and could NEVER afford to live in Carroll gardens if I didn't live in my mother in laws building. I was born and raised here and there are fewer and fewer natives left because its just too damn expensive to stay. Now that we got screwed on our last union contract I'm really worried about the future for my kids. I'm going to have to move to PA if I want to buy a big enough house for my 3 kids.
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:34 PM   #16187
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Time to find a new world.

A company that made NET profits in 2010 of 3.59 billion, 2011 of 2.06 billion, and should be doing about the same for 2012, just fired my boss, who has been with the company for about 20 years, because according the business models, he was a VP without enough departmental responsibilty. This after they forced him over the last year to outscource functions to India (where I had to go work in a town that smelled of burning human feces).

I've been told by my managers and those around me that no one here has received a bonus or a raise since 2007. As my "industry" keeps making billions in profits, I'm getting priced out of my neighborhood in brooklyn. I don't know how much longer I can stay in this city.

My situation is even worse, my boss is Indian and he brought in consultants at $175K a year (5 of them) to replace employees that have been with the company for over a quarter of a century....
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:04 PM   #16188
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My situation is even worse, my boss is Indian and he brought in consultants at $175K a year (5 of them) to replace employees that have been with the company for over a quarter of a century....
capitalism is the most awesomest thing ever!!!

why pay peoople here more when we can get cheaper brown people to do the same thing overseas?!

yay yay yay! savings!!! profits yay!!!
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:51 PM   #16189
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My situation is even worse, my boss is Indian and he brought in consultants at $175K a year (5 of them) to replace employees that have been with the company for over a quarter of a century....
And shit like this is why I think I'm gonna snag a union job now.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:16 PM   #16190
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And shit like this is why I think I'm gonna snag a union job now.
yup, can't outsource hauling trash
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:27 AM   #16191
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Sh$t, bike keeps stalling on me every half mile. Got 5 miles from my house and its stalled half dozen times. After it cools down it starts right up, drive it for half mile and it bigs down and stalls. I have 5 gallons of fuel, battery is dead now. Waiting for some one to give me a boost.
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:05 AM   #16192
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Sh$t, bike keeps stalling on me every half mile. Got 5 miles from my house and its stalled half dozen times. After it cools down it starts right up, drive it for half mile and it bigs down and stalls. I have 5 gallons of fuel, battery is dead now. Waiting for some one to give me a boost.
John,
Vapor lock issue with the tank? Next time it dies, open the tank and see if you hear and audible hiss and it fires up.
Good luck,
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:21 AM   #16193
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My situation is even worse, my boss is Indian and he brought in consultants at $175K a year (5 of them) to replace employees that have been with the company for over a quarter of a century....

I don't know your line of business, but I had a client who insisted on using an offshore software dev team. The company's logic was, "If they charge only 20% of what domestic programmers charge, then even if they take twice as long, it will still be a bargain!"

I was tasked with managing their work. I can tell you with authority, that is NOT true.

Developers charging only 20% (or 40%, whatever) may actually NEVER get the project done. Never. Not in 200% of the time. Not in 400% of the time. Simply NEVER. And, often if they do, the code quality will be SO terrible that making ANY change in the future will be difficult, or impossible.

I hired two of the best developers I knew locally to manage about 15 off-shore devs. We did this for about three years.

After that experience, I have no fear of being replaced with offshore computer programmers.

Pretty much all of them were well-meaning, and hard-working. That is the good part. However, as the saying goes: "Failure: When your very best just isn't good enough."

Despite their best intentions, we found the developers we worked with (about 40 individuals at three different companies) to be uniformly mediocre. At one point I asked my friend and lead dev (one of the most talented programmers I've ever worked with in 19 years of doing this professionally) to grade all the offshore resources we were using on an "A" to "F" scale.

Nobody got an "A".

One dev got a "B". FYI, after the project he moved to the US and now is H1B staff, charging American-level wages.

All the rest got "C", "D", and "F". One comment from my friend which stuck in my mind:

"I'll give XXXX a 'D'. He creates more bugs than any other developer on the project, but he fixes a lot, too." Put THAT on your resume!

Bottom line for me is this: If a company has never worked with good developers, then they might as well offshore to India/China/Russia/Philippines. You'll never know what you're missing.

However, if you need the job done RIGHT, you will need actual.. you know... professionals.
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:53 AM   #16194
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John,
Vapor lock issue with the tank? Next time it dies, open the tank and see if you hear and audible hiss and it fires up.
Good luck,
Rich
Thanks Rich.

I did open the tank to make sure I had fuel but it still wouldn't start. I'm home know and charging the battery, I'll try it in an hour.

Thanks for the advice!!
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:33 AM   #16195
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Pretty much all of them were well-meaning, and hard-working.
Heh. Reminds me of the group I managed at my last job (I think they were in Pune). Really nice guys, and they would do exactly what I asked. But, that was the problem... (I hate to use this cliche) they couldn't think outside the box- at all. They were "support" (not programmers), so we would have unexpected things occur where we needed to improvise. That's where they were useless. In that respect, they were like robots- very good at repetitive tasks (which my American staff hated to do), but whenever they ran into any sort of roadblock, it was like their brains shut down.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:58 AM   #16196
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And shit like this is why I think I'm gonna snag a union job now.
They're not even safe anymore. I'm a 3rd generation union man been in for 19 years now and this is the first time I'm starting to lose faith. Bloomberg is trying to kill all the unions. Labor, teachers, city unions. It's bad all around man.

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Sh$t, bike keeps stalling on me every half mile. Got 5 miles from my house and its stalled half dozen times. After it cools down it starts right up, drive it for half mile and it bigs down and stalls. I have 5 gallons of fuel, battery is dead now. Waiting for some one to give me a boost.
Could be fuel pump. Do you hear it priming when you turn the key to on?
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:09 AM   #16197
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Heh. Reminds me of the group I managed at my last job (I think they were in Pune). Really nice guys, and they would do exactly what I asked. But, that was the problem... (I hate to use this cliche) they couldn't think outside the box- at all. They were "support" (not programmers), so we would have unexpected things occur where we needed to improvise. That's where they were useless. In that respect, they were like robots- very good at repetitive tasks (which my American staff hated to do), but whenever they ran into any sort of roadblock, it was like their brains shut down.


Also, there is a cultural aversion to saying "No." As in:

CEO-man: "My in-house devs said this tremendous-fuckload-of-work could not be done in less than three months. Can you do it in two weeks?"

Offshore Dev Manager: "Uhh.. Yes?"

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Old 01-16-2013, 09:40 AM   #16198
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They're not even safe anymore. I'm a 3rd generation union man been in for 19 years now and this is the first time I'm starting to lose faith. Bloomberg is trying to kill all the unions. Labor, teachers, city unions. It's bad all around man.



Could be fuel pump. Do you hear it priming when you turn the key to on?
No fule pump in the KLR, thanks anyway.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:13 AM   #16199
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Related to our conversation: this is a pretty hilarious story. A guy outsourced his own job to China

http://thenextweb.com/shareables/201...ch-cat-videos/
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:14 AM   #16200
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No fule pump in the KLR, thanks anyway.
fuel is overrated. fred flintstone the thing to work.
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