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Old 04-11-2006, 04:02 AM   #1
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watch those 640 spokes

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Old 04-11-2006, 06:09 AM   #2
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I was going to call

but this is a recall for some of the other LC4s...

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Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
KTM / LC4 400 2000-2003
KTM / LC4 640 2000-2003
KTM / LC4 640 ENDURO 2000-2003
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Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSTALL CLIPS TO HELP SECURE A LOOSE SPOKE TIGHT TO THE NEXT CROSSING SPOKE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2006.
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no new rim for these folks; some kind of clips to cross link the spokes (seem those somewhere before...). thanks for sharing; too bad your thread title doesn't stipulate.
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:15 AM   #3
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I was going to call

but this is a recall for some of the other LC4s...



no new rim for these folks; some kind of clips to cross link the spokes (seem those somewhere before...). thanks for sharing; too bad your thread title doesn't stipulate.

what a cheapass fix
you'd think the real fix would be new spokes...securing them "just in case" is asking for trouble as thats an admit that they know somethings wrong. stupid just stupid on KTM NA part.
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:27 AM   #4
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Old 04-11-2006, 08:41 AM   #5
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cheap patch!!!,,,,NOT the cure!!!!

oh lordy,,,,when i read about this,,,i realized someone at ktm is getting desperate.

tying up the spokes where they cross either with safety wire,zip-ties or copper wire with a dab of solder are old competition tricks for keeping your spokes from flailing around should one break.

i suppose the strategy is to minimize losses from having their broken spokes inflict even more damage.....and possibly slow down the requests for wheel replacement,,or????

do not confuse a band-aid for the cure to your problems!!!!
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:00 AM   #6
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it's a step up from wiring the spokes together like some bicycle racers did for a stiffer wheel. a very short step.
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Old 04-11-2006, 05:44 PM   #7
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Thanks for the info on the fix.
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:29 PM   #8
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oh lordy,,,,when i read about this,,,i realized someone at ktm is getting desperate.

tying up the spokes where they cross either with safety wire,zip-ties or copper wire with a dab of solder are old competition tricks for keeping your spokes from flailing around should one break.

i suppose the strategy is to minimize losses from having their broken spokes inflict even more damage.....and possibly slow down the requests for wheel replacement,,or????

do not confuse a band-aid for the cure to your problems!!!!
yup...and it still doesn't solve the problem of a flat tire from the broken spoke nipple.
I still think KTM just opened a huge can a cluster fuck with this instead of spoke replacement...laws suites here we come.
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Old 04-11-2006, 07:52 PM   #9
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The problem with the spokes shows itself after hard braking use on pavement. Just keep roadracing the machine and you will ruin the wheel. If you are all packed up and doing pavement I would suggest you use restraint. Just be glad the machine has such a good brake up front. It will probably save your life. Maybe you would like something to increase the unsprung weight. Check your spokes grasshopper...or die.
And buy a spoke wrench.
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Old 04-12-2006, 03:39 AM   #10
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better yet SUPERLACE it,and fuggetabout worrying

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The problem with the spokes shows itself after hard braking use on pavement. Just keep roadracing the machine and you will ruin the wheel. If you are all packed up and doing pavement I would suggest you use restraint. Just be glad the machine has such a good brake up front. It will probably save your life. Maybe you would like something to increase the unsprung weight. Check your spokes grasshopper...or die.
And buy a spoke wrench.
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superlace it and you can even roadrace it or supermotard it or mx it or get off just looking at how awesome your wheel looks

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Old 04-12-2006, 05:26 AM   #11
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Ive got a newer model but still I wonder what I should look for

Is it just a matter of loose spokes?
Nipples pulling thru the rim.
Cracked hub flanges?
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Old 04-12-2006, 06:29 AM   #12
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Ive got a newer model but still I wonder what I should look for

Is it just a matter of loose spokes?
Nipples pulling thru the rim.
Cracked hub flanges?
the broken spoke pictures I've seen have been random but mostly one or two inches down from the nipple. so, mid spoke. so I think it's a quality control problem with cheep steel.

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The problem with the spokes shows itself after hard braking use on pavement.
thats funny.
I can see where you get the logic for it but jez, they are ment to take a hit off road as well as on road why would this couse Spoke failure unless the spokes were suspect anyway?
latery stress as well as load could flex the wheel but they are designed to do this to some extent and survive. spokes breaking is not part of the equasion.
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:45 AM   #13
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Ive got a newer model but still I wonder what I should look for

Is it just a matter of loose spokes?
Nipples pulling thru the rim.
Cracked hub flanges?
surly, don't you have the black rims (Behr)? a few have found those too wide for any tire they found to protect. The result was dings or bent rims where they felt a narrower rim would have been protected by the tire. I think the thought is the stock black rim on the 04 and later bikes are more road-biased.
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:47 AM   #14
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surly, don't you have the black rims (Behr)? a few have found those too wide for any tire they found to protect. The result was dings or bent rims where they felt a narrower rim would have been protected by the tire. I think the thought is the stock black rim on the 04 and later bikes are more road-biased.
I do
I havent had a problem with them yet
Maybe I am too slow

I am building wheels for the GS first anyway
Maybe 640 wheels later
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:51 AM   #15
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I do
I havent had a problem with them yet
Maybe I am too slow

I am building wheels for the GS first anyway
Maybe 640 wheels later
Nah, just luckier than those others.
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