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Old 04-18-2006, 07:02 PM   #46
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Man you are killin' me here
You have any idea what North Dakotat is like?

I got to hear those "off road" pipes and I got a chubbie so fast it almost ripped the zipper on my pants made me faint.

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Did you see these pics from our little outing the other week?

Danger_Dave had the Scrambler, but had the experts ride it over the more interesting stuff, which means he got to take photos of it:
http://www.davidcohen.co.nz/capcoast/index.htm

Others here:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128897

'Tis nice to ride, especially with 'competition only' pipes on it. Dunno that I'd put up with them long term, though. It was awarded "best sounding bike" on the day.
I hope you dont mind me posting this link of yours
(I will remove it if you do)
I think if you get rid of the gs adventure beak its a front page shot!

Any chance I can get the full res. for my walpaper? Pretty please?
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Old 04-18-2006, 07:44 PM   #47
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I hope you dont mind me posting this link of yours
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Any chance I can get the full res. for my walpaper? Pretty please?
Hey they're not my pics, mainly danger_dave and clintnz, amongst others - I'm just re-posting their links.

PM danger_dave for the full-res pic.

The ride was organised by 4skins, search "Capital Coast Adventure" in Asia/Oz/Kiwi land. The whole day was within about 30km of Wellington CBD.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:13 PM   #48
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Warewolf,
I enjoyed the points you made about tall bikes but now you are talking to a guy that lived on his motorcycle for 18 months and traveled all over North, Central and South America. If you think I would have wanted to do that on my tip toes you don't know me.
If you think that would be fun or safe, your idea of fun and saftey are different than mine. In most of the world there is no med evac and a broken leg is a damn annoyance. A broken bike is just a pain in the ass. Especially if it just rolled down a mountain.
OK, you can play for a day or two on a tall PD racer and figure you have it all figured out but RTW travel is about staying upright and alive. Nothing works like feet on the ground. You get over the romance and go into the zone. It is a practical place. And you want the best.
That would be a modified KTM Adventure.
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Old 04-19-2006, 03:05 PM   #49
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If you think that would be fun or safe, your idea of fun and saftey are different than mine.
Ha ha! You don't know how true that is...as a caver and climber I get told that on a regular basis!

But seriously, all I was suggesting was that there is another way for people to solve the height problem, and that is with a different bike. It's not the be all and end all solution.

Sounds like you know exactly what you want and are 'rolling your own'. Good stuff.
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Old 04-20-2006, 12:11 PM   #50
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But seriously, all I was suggesting was that there is another way for people to solve the height problem, and that is with a different bike. It's not the be all and end all solution.
What about getting boots with a thicker sole?

When I get on the bike, I just sit on it "forcefully," which compresses the suspension enough such that I can get the tips of my toes down on either side.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:06 PM   #51
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What about getting boots with a thicker sole?

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good idea.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:08 PM   #52
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What about getting boots with a thicker sole?
IIRC there is a specialist motorcycle boot manufacturer in the USA who does just that. I had a quick google but couldn't find them. They were targetting women on road bikes.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:09 PM   #53
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Meat, I didn't know you had a BMW clothing catalogue handy?

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Old 04-20-2006, 01:59 PM   #54
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IIRC there is a specialist motorcycle boot manufacturer in the USA who does just that. I had a quick google but couldn't find them. They were targetting women on road bikes.
Helimot sells some "lifted" mens boots, but in very limited sizes: M-Star GTX
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Old 04-20-2006, 03:09 PM   #55
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OK, I didn't make myself clear. I can't get on UNLESS it is on the stand. I am also 57 years old with somewhat arthritic hips. I like the KTM so I will set it up any damn way I please and not necessarily be screwing things up.

I have been riding in the dirt for 43 years and am a factory trained Harley & Honda mechanic. I learned to ride & race when 8" of travel was nothing but dream. (We were Hare Scrambeling BSA Victors, Lightenings, Royal Enfields, Sportsters, etc.) I've probably worn out more bikes than a lot of you will ever ride and set them all up to fit ME. I can cope with 10.1" of rear suspension very well, thank you.

Maybe some people who can't ride unless they have a machine that does all the hard stuff for them should step back and learn a few basics. They would be much better riders and able to use the fantastic technology that much better. Instead of relying on the technology they should be utilising it.

Sorry if I've gotten riled up here (not really). It just POs me to have someone not only tell me that I am screwing my suspension up, but that I probably bought the wrong bike just because I want to set it up for my body and comfort.

Tell him to go in the pits at a PRO long distance race. You will probably not find 1 bike set up with "stock" suspension including the links. If you set the spring rate, rebound & dampening up properly you are not losing much if anything at all by a 13% reduction in travel (except the travel). A bike with the suspension set up to suit the rider is a great handeling bike. One with just miles of travel but not suited to the rider is a pig.

If you have a bike you like, but have issues with the fit of the bike (handeling, size, braking, reach, comfort, etc.) and are not sure what to do use forums like this one - but take everyting with a grain of salt). If you are not happy then find a suspension shop, seat shop, etc and talk to them. You CAN make any bike ride like you want.

Think about it - there is no factory race team that hires riders because they fit on thier bikes. They make the bikes fit the riders. Thats what it is all about. Basics.

thats my quarters worth - inflation you know.
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Old 04-20-2006, 03:34 PM   #56
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Old 04-20-2006, 04:33 PM   #57
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Blimey...no need to get hot under the collar, chaps. I thought I made it pretty clear I was offering a different viewpoint for the masses to consider.

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Think about it - there is no factory race team that hires riders because they fit on thier bikes. They make the bikes fit the riders.
Such as Andrea Mayer? Who was that other famous short-arse...was it Gaston Rahier? or one of his BMW team-mates?
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Old 04-20-2006, 08:12 PM   #58
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I loved Groundhog Day!

But this is definately not yours. Take others opinions for what they are worth, but don't take offense OK? Online discussions are like salad bars - walk thru and take what you like. No point in getting mad at the sliced beets!!!

Sounds like you have a ton of experience, more in your pinkey that I probably have in my... wait a minute, Arch is here. Anyways, with your experience I am not gonna tell you how to use your bike - you know - but I will say this: if you tax a well setup LC4 at your age then you are a badass!

Andrea Mayer... not even 5'6"!

probably run circles around me all day if she didn't get bored waiting for me to catch up! We'll have to wait and see how tall her bikes are when her hips are arthritic.

ps - I still wonder if a question to WP is in order, to clear the air? (update: sent them a question )
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Old 04-21-2006, 08:13 PM   #59
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Now this thread is getting interesting. I am with Groundhog and warewolf-both make good points but the most important thing is to understand the suspension on our Adventure bikes.
Put fear aside. If you take the front forks apart you will find out that they are simple inside, not trick. What they are is strong and carry a large quanity of oil. I have looked at the design and concluded that they are totally linear in the way they handle a bump, so you can shorten them all you want, basicially the fork will work the same when it hits a bump. Travel will be the issue.
At the rear same thing. The pivot is linear and the design of the rear shock hydraulics is also. Look at the pictures in the shock manual and use you imagination if you don't believe me.
All this was confirmed to me by Brad Lowe who Is one guy who gets the theory of how suspension works. Brad's skill is massaging the suspension to do what YOU want it to do. Shortening the suspension was not a concern for him since I will not be racing or aggressively riding the machine.
If you get the theory of suspension you need lots of travel for a big hole but a travel bike running rough gravel roads can give up some of that and the rider can SLOW DOWN if a big hole is encountered. Or stop, put a foot down easily and look things over before proceeding if the bike is shortened.
Suspension set up is the least understood area of motorcycle mechanics. Your ass is the best way to judge if the suspension is working. WP suspension on the Adventure is set up for PD/MX activity. It is not set up for the road or rough gravel. That is why when you get on a gravel road with stutter bumps(miles of them) you have to turn off the rebound damping front and rear. The fast little bumps overwelm the factory MX settings and you have to make the call and adjust. With a suspension like WP it is not a set it and forget it type of thing. That is why they have all the adjustments. I have been on the telephone with 50 suspension shops and emailed with Sommer about travel bikes of which they support over 100. It always came out the same.
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Old 04-22-2006, 08:50 PM   #60
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Rear shock rod length for KTM Adventure, shock bottoming?

Hello,
Can anyone out there measure the rear shock rod length for the Adventure bike. I swear I measured 2.5 inches before you get interference with the rubber bumber. Am I right? I would measure mine but it is off for mods and a rebuild. Also does the rubber bumper actually compress in use. Mine seemed almost solid.
I am trying to calculate rear wheel travel and can't get to the figure listed in the manual of 300 mm(12 inches). Also no way can I get the rear wheel to hit anything up in the fender area assuming a 13 or 14 inch radius for the rear wheel and tire. With 2.5 inches of rod travel I only get 7 1/4 inches of actual wheel travel. I know people are complaining of bottoming out, I just don't see how it can happen. Anyone been down this road? I can't make sense of it.
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