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Old 08-26-2009, 08:15 AM   #1
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Dear Suzuki: about the 2011 DL650X ABS, etc.

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Dear Suzuki,

We love the amazing DL650 motor, the overall dimensions of the bike are spot on, and we appreciate the option of a $500, 7lb ABS system, anvil-like reliability/durability and the many other positive attributes of the DL650 V-Strom.

Given the broad following of the V-Strom, Suzuki has a significant opportunity to move the bike upmarket, dipping into the Suzuki parts bin and engineering expertise to make the bike an outstanding performer in every dimension, at a premium price from that currently offered.

Here are some suggestions.
  • Improve the suspension. A more sophisticated front fork would add a lot to the riding experience for serious riders. The adjustable preload of the rear shock is very useful, but more adjustment than the simple rebound damping adjustment would be welcome. Can we borrow the GSXR team?
  • Lose a little weight. The 650 chassis has proven very robust, but losing 10KG of weight would do a lot. I promise that if you will, I will!
  • Hit the wind tunnel. Riders appreciate the weather protection and terrific headlights, but improving the aerodynamics of the front fascia would be welcome.
And..... [your suggestions here]

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Wonder what would happen if.....
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Old 08-26-2009, 09:12 AM   #2
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Beating your head on the wall feels good when you stop.

Maybe it would help if you wrote it in Japanese...no, probably not.

It seems to me motorcycles manufacturers build what they want. It is your job to then go out and buy it. If nobody buys it, they throw in the towel and keep making bikes that sell: cruisers and sport bikes.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:42 AM   #3
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Forget about asking for less weight and better wind protection. For this bike and this market niche these things are not unimportant and besides less weight could mean less reliability. I would love to see something along lines of KTM990 Adventure with DL650 motor. Provide 10 in fully adjustable suspension front and rear with 21 in front tire and dual front discs with better dual piston calipers that provide much stronger braking power. Now for the "piece de resistance", provide durable tight mounted plastic side bags standard. I want to order mine with one low pipe under bag that allows full size bags to be mounted close and tight. Oh ya! And keep that beautiful flat black. No ABS please.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:56 AM   #4
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Improve the suspension. A more sophisticated front fork would add a lot to the riding experience for serious riders. The adjustable preload of the rear shock is very useful, but more adjustment than the simple rebound damping adjustment would be welcome. Can we borrow the GSXR team?
I think you'll lose them at serious riders... You're asking for them to spend more $$$ on the production of a great selling bike to please a very small percentage of the Strom market share which they won't do. Even if they did improve the suspension the serious guys are still going to change it.

My guess is that until the Strom has a major competitor taking marketshare Suzuki will not change much at all. Last I checked which was prior to this years awesome economy here in the U.S. most dealers had no trouble moving Stroms off the floor.

Believe I'm with you but if you think the Strom stock adjustability is bad look at the BMW F800 and R1200... complete rubbish at twice the price.

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Forget about asking for less weight and better wind protection. For this bike and this market niche these things are not unimportant and besides less weight could mean less reliability. I would love to see something along lines of KTM990 Adventure with DL650 motor. Provide 10 in fully adjustable suspension front and rear with 21 in front tire and dual front discs with better dual piston calipers that provide much stronger braking power. Now for the "piece de resistance", provide durable tight mounted plastic side bags standard. I want to order mine with one low pipe under bag that allows full size bags to be mounted close and tight. Oh ya! And keep that beautiful flat black. No ABS please.
This of course wouldn't be a V-Strom, it would have new moniker and sans plastic bags I would buy one. Part of what makes the Strom affordable is that was/is a parts bin bike so the cost would go up.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:59 AM   #5
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With the $ in the toilet.. the only thing that will happen for 2011 is cheaper parts on the bike to keep the cost the same.
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Old 08-26-2009, 03:31 PM   #6
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All jokes and past precedent aside (about Japanese manufacturers either being clueless, or doing what we ask and bringing bikes into the US that no one buys - read TDM, TransAlp, CB1, GB500, 650 Seca), I am surprised that Suzuki hasn't done a parts-bin DL650 "Adventure". After all, they did the DRZ400SM. I think the market for a 650 Adventure would be bigger.

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Old 08-26-2009, 04:14 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Riteris
Beating your head on the wall feels good when you stop.

Maybe it would help if you wrote it in Japanese...no, probably not.

It seems to me motorcycles manufacturers build what they want. It is your job to then go out and buy it. If nobody buys it, they throw in the towel and keep making bikes that sell: cruisers and sport bikes.
Boy ain't that the truth.
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Old 08-26-2009, 05:36 PM   #8
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Think any of the Jap 4 will ever make a GS or KTM copy(ish) bike?
I know some Strom owners think the Strom already is that.. but i don't think it is.
I'd like to have a GS1200 but am unwilling to put up with its reliability issues, especially for a bike of that price!
They could do a much better job for less money!
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Old 08-26-2009, 06:08 PM   #9
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I'd buy one in a minute, if they made a naked version. Don't change anything, just dump the fairing and I'm there. It would take care some of the requested weight loss too. Unfortunately, I know I'm a minority voice in the wilderness...
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:02 PM   #10
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I think they could "adventurize" the strom and have it as an upgraded model for extra$
Better suspension, spoke wheels, and some aftermarket stuff that we all put on anyway.
Maybe just offer some of it as options ala bmw?
cmon Suzuki!
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:04 PM   #11
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Think any of the Jap 4 will ever make a GS or KTM copy(ish) bike?
I know some Strom owners think the Strom already is that.. but i don't think it is. //
According to a history of the V-Strom on VSRI (which some dispute) the idea for the V-Strom originated in Germany as a bike that was competitive with the GS but was sportier on the road per the Suzuki brand reputation, and appealed to younger buyers. If that's truly the case, the answer is no. I don't think KTM is even on their radar screen.

One could argue that the F650GS and F800GS are BMW's attempts to copy the V-Strom: I'm sure the decision to go to chain drive wasn't an easy one. But in my opinion it is an acknowledgment that the segment has expanded and that's great news for all of us. It means that the 1200GS no longer serves as the product development road map for the segment, even at BMW. I mean, the Buell Ulysses is considered by some an "Adventure Bike" so clearly there is a wide range of ideas about what that means.

Just imagine: manufacturers are building motorcycles for the American market that are purchased for 80% functionality and 20% style, instead of the other way around!

The Honda Gold Wing was developed by the sport bike group at Honda. So I'm really curious about how Suzuki organizes their product marketing groups.
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:19 PM   #12
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[quote=dman]All jokes and past precedent aside (about Japanese manufacturers either being clueless, or doing what we ask and bringing bikes into the US that no one buys - read TDM, TransAlp, CB1, GB500, 650 Seca)

I have had a XBR500, a Mk2 TDM, currently ride a TDM900, and nearly bought a CB1 way back when. What does that say about my taste in bikes?
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Old 08-26-2009, 08:19 PM   #13
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Man, if they could only READ! I mean read these and other threads, about thier products. That goes for most mfger's. They build what the marketing "experts" think you SHOULD want, and might buy. Too bad the "experts" have never used, or know how to use thier products. Imagine if sombody built what you really wanted. But, allass, they have never used thier end product, and therfore are clueless. Thats why we have such successfull aftermarket companies. Wiether it be bikes, cars, airplanes, com[uters boats,guns, you name it.
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Old 08-26-2009, 08:56 PM   #14
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Makes you wonder who does there research on what we want. I mean it would be hard for a someone in there culture to decide what we want.. and visa versa. That would be interesting to know.

I think past attemps at Adventure bikes failed more for styling than anything else.

I'm fairly happy with my Strom now after all the modding i've done to it.. but still lust after a GS1200. Why can't the "German engineering" guys figure out who to make final drive that holds together after all these years! I mean EVERY other mfg.. can do it.. why can't they!!!
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Old 08-27-2009, 01:05 AM   #15
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I'd buy one in a minute, if they made a naked version. Don't change anything, just dump the fairing and I'm there. It would take care some of the requested weight loss too. Unfortunately, I know I'm a minority voice in the wilderness...


All your requests and wishes were answered already

A thou at each end... the 650 ctr.
The thou's lost 22.5kg and 21.5kg (~48-50lbs)....the 650 took the cake at 28kg (~60+lbs) from stock.
And no, hasn't made the bikes any "weaker" (or less reliable/ capable)












Just get Suzuki to built copies of 'em...and pay ME for the design-work
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