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Old 01-22-2012, 09:12 PM   #59206
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Now I need to find another bracket since the new caliper turned up.
Another email to Jeff me thinks.

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Old 01-22-2012, 09:22 PM   #59207
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Should have mentioned I have a Safari tank (~35l) at the front. Looking for a capacity of about 45lt. My other option is fuel bladders in the panniers but then I'm limited in what i put in there.
It seems to me it would be make sense to carry the fuel on the back and the camping gear in the panniers. I assume you won't always need the extra 10 litres, and when you do you can transfer the fuel to the front tank as you go. If you set up with fuel in panniers and camping gear on the back, you will always have the camping gear on the back, but have empty panniers at times, unless you repack everything.
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:42 PM   #59208
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SW Motech centerstand

I just spooned on a new front tire recently. This was the first time with the SW Motech centerstand. I held onto the forks as I took the axle bolt and tire out because I had a hunch that it would tip forward. I was right. It did.

I just want to know why, because I've heard others have no problems swapping out front tires. I had a full IMS tank and tank bag with tools and such, but I'm not sure if removing the tank bag would have made a difference. Anybody have a centerstand with a full IMS tank and change a front tire?

Right now I'm just thankful I've only had to change rear tires while on the side of the road. I looked ridiculous trying to wrestle around a bike with 1 wheel. (hint, just take the gas tank off and tip it over on it's side)
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Old 01-22-2012, 09:53 PM   #59209
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(hint, just take the gas tank off and tip it over on it's side)
Or just use a 50 cent prop

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Old 01-23-2012, 12:36 AM   #59210
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Failed sprocket bearing

So I haven't had much time to do anything lately related to my bike, it's actually up on a stand right now in my freezing shop with the whole rear end off. I bought the good grease "belray waterproof", and I have cleaned out the needle bearings and greased them. I'm just about ready to put the shock and swing arm back on the bike. A few last minute things came up and pretty much is sucking up the money I was hoping to put into the shock, so now I'm even debating if I should at least change the fluid out while I have it off the bike... Big downer for me..

But anyway, thought I would share my thoughts, I went to Suzuki dealership to get bearing and cush rubbers, but the guy talked me out of cush rubbers and said they don't go bad. At the moment, I believed him, very foolishly, and now I will send my business to procycle for the rubbers. On top of that, they don't just charge the prices that are on the bearings in the online fishe catalog, but add on like another 5-10% for handling. So for the rear three bearings it runs over $63....

Screw it. I went down to the local bearing supplier (Applied Bearings you can also order online) and the nice guy went to the back and came up with my new quality Koyo bearings (double sealed) and was out the door in 5 minutes spending only $30. What a deal!

The guy there said the most common reason for bearing failure is contamination (water, particulates) and second is either too much grease, or too little. He said if I wanted I could pop off the seals and add a very small amount, but I think I might just clean out all of their grease and pack in some Belray Waterproof.

I know its taking me a while to get this bearing job done but like I said I've been occupied with other things.... ie, a flooded basement...

Here is a picture of my sprocket carrier bearing right after I pulled the seal off... Wow, did someone pack dirt in there????

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Old 01-23-2012, 03:44 AM   #59211
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Has anyone ever had a front caliper where the brake pad pin cover screw would NOT come out? I couldn't get that sucker out at all, and the metal is kind of weak. It broke apart when I tried to take it out with a flathead screwdriver, but then it was hard enough I couldn't drill into it very easily to try an easy-out. I pretty much destroyed my caliper I think trying to get this out... Used a dremel and I seem to have fused the screw to the rest of the caliper
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:32 AM   #59212
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Here is a picture of my sprocket carrier bearing right after I pulled the seal off... Wow, did someone pack dirt in there????

More like an OREO cookie.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:36 AM   #59213
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I went to Suzuki dealership to get bearing and cush rubbers, but the guy talked me out of cush rubbers and said they don't go bad. At the moment, I believed him, very foolishly,
This is one reason why dealers everywhere are struggling. I'm not blaming the poor schmuck behind the parts counter. He can't possibly become an expert on every bike that he might sell parts for. The advice he gave you would most likely be correct for most other models but the DR650 eats up cush rubbers in short order. Even though the advice was bad I'll give him a little credit for trying to save you some money.

Lots of riders expect the folks at the dealership to be well trained experts on the bikes they sell. The truth is, in most places the official training is minimal and the dealer personnel just have to learn as they go. The parts counter guy might be an expert on whatever it his that he rides and he might also be knowlegable on whatever his riding buddies ride. Beyond that, he will just be applying his general knowledge to selling parts.

If you read this and other DR650 specific internet forums you can be sure that when you walk into the dealership you will be much more knowledgeable on DR650s than the dealer employees.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:49 AM   #59214
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This is one reason why dealers everywhere are struggling. I'm not blaming the poor schmuck behind the parts counter. He can't possibly become an expert on every bike that he might sell parts for. The advice he gave you would most likely be correct for most other models but the DR650 eats up cush rubbers in short order. Even though the advice was bad I'll give him a little credit for trying to save you some money.

Lots of riders expect the folks at the dealership to be well trained experts on the bikes they sell. The truth is, in most places the official training is minimal and the dealer personnel just have to learn as they go. The parts counter guy might be an expert on whatever it his that he rides and he might also be knowlegable on whatever his riding buddies ride. Beyond that, he will just be applying his general knowledge to selling parts.

If you read this and other DR650 specific internet forums you can be sure that when you walk into the dealership you will be much more knowledgeable on DR650s than the dealer employees.
We had trouble in the early seventies with the cush rubbers. I had a TS125 (1971) that the cush rubbers wore out also. To save money, we would cut pieces of innertubes to shim the hub. We also tried to fill the gaps with silicone like RTV. Here's a pic of an old TS185 ('71) for your visual enjoyment.


I have some cleaning to do and need a rear brake cable to get her going.
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:41 AM   #59215
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This is one reason why dealers everywhere are struggling. I'm not blaming the poor schmuck behind the parts counter. He can't possibly become an expert on every bike that he might sell parts for. The advice he gave you would most likely be correct for most other models but the DR650 eats up cush rubbers in short order. Even though the advice was bad I'll give him a little credit for trying to save you some money.

Lots of riders expect the folks at the dealership to be well trained experts on the bikes they sell. The truth is, in most places the official training is minimal and the dealer personnel just have to learn as they go. The parts counter guy might be an expert on whatever it his that he rides and he might also be knowlegable on whatever his riding buddies ride. Beyond that, he will just be applying his general knowledge to selling parts.

If you read this and other DR650 specific internet forums you can be sure that when you walk into the dealership you will be much more knowledgeable on DR650s than the dealer employees.
I agree!
Drives me crazy! I go to my local Suzuki Dealer on my 2009 DR650 and parked it right in front of the shop and their two main sales-reps. I go in and look around and see a white 2012 DR650 that i wanted to check out to see where they set the stock shock at originally and other stuff i wanted to see.
Both Reps come up to me and ask if i am looking for a DR 650 and I said I already have one and that it is outside. They both said at the same time,"that's a DR650?", Ah yep it is. Mine has the Safari Tank on it and a cee-Bialeys wind screen.
They went back outside to look at it.
The parts guys went out to look at it. I told them i added stiffer springs etc.. They told me they never heard of different springs for the DR 650. They never seen a Vapor either.
Anyways after talking to the Sales and the parts dept i realized these gents don't know anything about the bikes above the regular on the floor sale it arena type stuff.

It would be great if shops personnel had a deeper interest in the bikes they sale and maintain.
I asked about hand guards for my bike and they grab a catalog and start searching.
If i wanted him to search a catalog i could just go online myself and find one..And cheaper.
I was hoping he would go oh ya we have some excellent ones for the DR 650 in stock and some you can order.
But no.
I found out later that the two salesmen do not even ride bikes. uggghh.
My best experience was with KTM dealers and Sales reps who actually ride the bikes they sale. And have a love for riding.
I dont like knowing more then the dealers...about my bike..
Glad there is this site.

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Old 01-23-2012, 10:28 AM   #59216
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i've visited alot of parts dept. showing them our maps.
they're not in the "catalog" so we must show them in person.

that's because most every shop just uses the parts unlimited, lockhart catalog and maybe 1 more. jeff would know those names better than i can remember. if it's not in there, the guy have no clue what else is available for most bikes. it's same experience over and over at all the dealers, unless an employee takes a special interest in a particular bike and knows more options. this is the reason why procycle and other online suppliers who pick a niche and specialize, do well. places like motorcycle supper store and rockymtn atv do well because of fast free shipping and great prices for general supply. bikebandit & ron ayers have captures the oem angle as far as discount pricing.

all most dealer have left are uniformed walk-in customer and it will be ordered in in most cases anyway.

i've told a few local dealer they could do well with hiring a parts person who specializes only in mail order and is paid knowing & researching (on the forums) what riders uses and want as far as mods. i said pick 10-15 bikes and focus their guy and specializing on selling parts for those bike.
they said it wasn't worth their time to do that???

as far as most dealer employees...they're younger guys working just enough to be able to ride there bikes.
it's just a job and the ability to buy parts cheaper not a passion. this hold very true in most Japanese dealers.
i found bmw & ktm to be the exception to this.


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I agree!
Drives me crazy! I go to my local Suzuki Dealer on my 2009 DR650 and parked it right in front of the shop and their two main sales-reps. I go in and look around and see a white 2012 DR650 that i wanted to check out to see where they set the stock shock at originally and other stuff i wanted to see.
Both Reps come up to me and ask if i am looking for a DR 650 and I said I already have one and that it is outside. They both said at the same time,"that's a DR650?", Ah yep it is. Mine has the Safari Tank on it and a cee-Bialeys wind screen.
They went back outside to look at it.
The parts guys went out to look at it. I told them i added stiffer springs etc.. They told me they never heard of different springs for the DR 650. They never seen a Vapor either.
Anyways after talking to the Sales and the parts dept i realized these gents don't know anything about the bikes above the regular on the floor sale it arena type stuff.

It would be great if shops personnel had a deeper interest in the bikes they sale and maintain.
I asked about hand guards for my bike and they grab a catalog and start searching.
If i wanted him to search a catalog i could just go online myself and find one..And cheaper.
I was hoping he would go oh ya we have some excellent ones for the DR 650 in stock and some you can order.
But no.
I found out later that the two salesmen do not even ride bikes. uggghh.
My best experience was with KTM dealers and Sales reps who actually ride the bikes they sale. And have a love for riding.
I dont like knowing more then the dealers...about my bike..
Glad there is this site.

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Old 01-23-2012, 11:02 AM   #59217
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It would be great if shops personnel had a deeper interest in the bikes they sale and maintain
Yeah, but those guys are just like the rest of us. I take a deep interest in dual sport bikes, flattrack racing, mini-supermoto, turbo-diesel motors and a few other oddball things. There's no way I could work up any enthusiasm or interest in chromed out cruisers, Harleys, trikes, full boat touring bikes, etc. There's no way I'm ever going to be knowledgeable about BMWs because I find nothing about them to be interesting. The salesmen working at the dealer are there because they know sales not because they know motorcycles.

The poor saps working at the parts counter really don't have a prayer of knowing very much about everything. For example, back in 1983 when I first started in the motorcycle business Honda had 52 current models for sale. They change up the mix every year with new stuff and of course the old models are all still running around out there. If I look in the model reference guide in the back of my Parts Unlimited off-road catalog there are approximately 750 models listed. The street catalog lists about 1000 models. Anyone who could educate themselves to a high level of knowledge on all those bikes is wasting their time selling parts at a dealership counter.

And of course our wonderful DR650s are barely a blip on any dealership radar. You're lucky if the dealer employees could recognize one (like those salesmen who didn't).

I'm not bitching about this, it's just a fact that most any dealership is going to be spread way too thin to be able to give good expert advice unless you get lucky and stumble into a dealer employee with the same passion as you have. This is not going to change. Dealers have to try to be everything to all customers but it isn't possible to actually do it.

This situation certainly helps my own business. We have structured ProCycle around the bikes that we all own and ride.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:12 AM   #59218
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i've told a few local dealer they could do well with hiring a parts person who specializes only in mail order and is paid knowing & researching (on the forums) what riders uses and want as far as mods. i said pick 10-15 bikes and focus their guy and specializing on selling parts for those bike.
they said it wasn't worth their time to do that???
Very good advice falling on deaf ears. Too bad.
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as far as most dealer employees...they're younger guys working just enough to be able to ride there bikes.
it's just a job and the ability to buy parts cheaper not a passion. this hold very true in most Japanese dealers.
i found bmw & ktm to be the exception to this.
Many BMW and KTM dealers don't cater to the larger brands so they have a better ability to focus.
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For of us without a real-life knowledge network about the DR, dealerships or otherwise, and limited mechanical background, having ProCycle, Kientech, DRriders, and the folks around here is invaluable. It can really turn working on your moto from a frustrating chore to something fun to do.

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Old 01-23-2012, 12:26 PM   #59220
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This situation certainly helps my own business. We have structured ProCycle around the bikes that we all own and ride.
I am in the process of buying my first DR650 and have already spent many an hour on your site...Love it!! I show fellow MCist at work and they amazed at the number of parts you offer for the DR. I tell them this is one of the base reasons I want the DR as my main adventure bike. The people that are passionate about this bike and support it are incredible. I will never want for information or ideas. Between your company and ADVrider I am ready to take on the world with my DR

Great job and I hope to be giving you some of my hard earned cash soon!

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