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Old 05-04-2012, 07:32 PM   #63811
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You can now add me to the list of expectant DRs.

Can't even really tell the extra weight is there, but I can definitely feel it when I'm trying to grip the bike with my knees.
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:04 PM   #63812
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Tank & Panniers

The Tank looks great ...

How do you like those panniers ??

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You can now add me to the list of expectant DRs.

Can't even really tell the extra weight is there, but I can definitely feel it when I'm trying to grip the bike with my knees.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:15 PM   #63813
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The Tank looks great ...

How do you like those panniers ??

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The panniers are pretty nice, actually. I only use them for day trips, but they do very well in that role.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:32 PM   #63814
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Hi Paul

So on the 1st full tank since I installed your carb, i still only got 36 mpg, all commuting to work at 35-60 mph on city streets and knobby tires. I just dont believe all you people saying you getting 50+ mpg! :(

So not sure what to think now. I will say it seems to be idling quite high. I don't know how to see what RPM its running at though.

Anyway, I guess my problems are continuing. Too bad.

I was getting 45 to 50 mpg when I took it off and I am getting 50 mph with the tm40.
So I do not know what to tell him.
Any Ideas to help Putzy?
Bump, let's get Putzy fixed............oh, wait.......... Let's find his gas leak. Nibis covered driveline friction, ADV8 hit the possibly stuck choke cable assembly (whatever type is on the bike), zdiver1 supplied a known good BST carby (eliminates the two o-rings), didn't someone mention the petcock? Putzy: do you have a stock tank and petcock (sorry, I don't remember)? It will look like these following pics. ON PRI RES If so, remove the fuel line at the carb or petcock with the petcock set to ON, bike off. Fuel should not flow, rotate petcock to PRI, fuel should flow, quickly (so you don't burn down yer house), rotate to RES. Fuel should not flow.

Stock petcock pics:

ON:


PRI:


RES:


Stock choke assy, the black plastic is, well it's plastic and has been known to break; murdering fuel mileage and difficult to diagnose.:



Lower your idle rpm, is the idle fuel screw stock? If stock, it won't look like this:



Can you post pics, starting with the chain and sprockets?

Bad juju: (NOT MINE)



Almost forgot; what year, mileage and color?

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Holed engine cover on the Buchanan Highway,no biggie.

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401 kilometers, 260 miles of dirt; rock and roll.

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Mr. DR - No idea re: Jesse's whereabouts, but if you can find a square drive "Robertson" #2 stove bolt, double-nut it, I believe it is the same size. Someone here will confirm (or deny).

I don't know what it's called but this is pretty much correct. If in the USA, Home Depot has square drive deck screws. The hole is 'about' 1/8" square. Buy a screw, grab it with a vice grip and bingo, a rocker adjustment tool.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:33 PM   #63815
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New MT-21 front and T-63 rear. They are mounted on the wheels in place of the worn out TKCs. Now I just need to get those wheels and the pile of parts I bought last year applied to the bike. Front springs, rear springs, 43T sprocket, I think there are some LED directionals and some maintenance fluids as well. I bought the T-63 a year and a half ago after reading good comments about it, the MT-21 was favorably reviewed in print, we’ll see. At this point anything should be an improvement and as my parts guy (pusher) says, ‘If you don’t like it try something different next time – tires aren’t forever’. Probably going to be a big change from the sm wheels and RoadSmarts I have been riding on!



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Old 05-04-2012, 09:36 PM   #63816
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New pick-up coil ordered

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Welcome to the failed pickup coil club. That's 3 of us in the last month; WilderRider being the third. FYI, new coil will probably test at around 350 ohms; which is higher than the spec in the manual.

The leads on the new one are now red and white. WilderRider told me he connected red to blue and white to green. I did the same but it didn't work for me. Had to swap green/blue spades in the connector at the CDI unit to get it to start & run.

Measure how long the old leads are between the old coil and the rubber grommet, and make sure to have the same length on the new one. Also, I was able to easily push the new leads thru the rubber grommet so that the soldering was done on the other side of the grommet (outside the stator cover).

You can PM either one of us for questions, though I will be out of town this weekend.

Good luck.

Question to the collective: What are the possible causes of pickup coil failures? Just wondering.
Our electrical engineer at work said bring in the old pick-up coil for him to autopsy and possibly rewind. Sounds good to me.

The new coil is coming from California and the new gasket is here from ProCycle in one day. Can't beat fast delivery from PC! Thanks Jeff and crew.

Guess the lawn can be mowed while waiting on parts.

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Old 05-04-2012, 10:16 PM   #63817
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Great bag and great signature line.

You are Denverish?? I'll be taking my DR650 and TXC250 to Colorado this summer. Looking forward to taking the DR650 up Engineer Pass, Imogene Pass, Crystal Mill, etc.

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It's funny, when you live in a state it seems the grass is greener somewhere else. I'm a southern Utah junkie, ridden thousands of miles over there and it will be my next trip. Yes, SE Denver, I throw rocks at Park Meadows Mall. When you get to Crystal Mill, be sure to take the walk up to the Marble marble mine. It stunned me....................wow this is big. Then the selling market changed and they just shut it down.

Yep, this should work. TXC250:


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I bought the T-63 a year and a half ago after reading good comments about it, the MT-21 was favorably reviewed in print, we’ll see.
I've used them both and like 'em.
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At this point anything should be an improvement and as my parts guy (pusher) says, ‘If you don’t like it try something different next time – tires aren’t forever’.
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This is so true. I got absorbed by the internet ADVrider tire posts. This one's better, no it izzn't, and on and on and..............Buy a tire, wear it out and buy a different one next time.

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Our electrical engineer at work said bring in the old pick-up coil for him to autopsy and possibly rewind. Sounds good to me.

The new coil is coming from California and the new gasket is here from ProCycle in one day. Can't beat fast delivery from PC! Thanks Jeff and crew.

Guess the lawn can be mowed while waiting on parts.

Dave
That's cool that you have an engineer willing to look at it. I didn't have a clue that something like that could be rewound. Screw the lawn, the neighbor won't keep his effin' dogs quiet, so I quit working out there.

PS: Today's 228 miles sucked.


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Old 05-05-2012, 04:43 AM   #63818
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My 2 cents. Based on the video, you and your DR650 kept up with your 2 buddies on their DRZ400s. The DR650 did fine. You needed just a hair more speed/momentum in a couple of rocky spots but you made it through with you and your bike in one piece. On a more philosohpical note, I reckon it's the human condition to compare and contrast what might be "better." I say relax and enjoy the ride, looks like you had a fun day!


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Will try this again. Just wanted to share my two cents on the topic of which bike to buy - DRZ400 or DR650? Know this may make some viewers mad here, but truly if most of your riding is on rough trails go with the DRZ. Don't get me wrong, I love my DR and won't ever part ways, but for our future trail adventure excursions, I'm going with something lighter and more trail worthy. The DRZ will be my first option. The DR will just have to get used to another stable mate in the garage along with the two MX bikes.

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Old 05-05-2012, 05:05 AM   #63819
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New MT-21 front and T-63 rear.
I love the T63 for what I do. It wears better on the asphalt, and hooks up better on wet pavement. The only place where the MT21 was superior was greasy, muddy trails. Loose dirt, hard pack, and gravel, they're pretty equal.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:51 AM   #63820
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I found it entertaining, thanks. I had no idea there were that many rocks 'back there'.

Once the wives see whut yer up to, there will be no more pardons. Since no animals were injured, what did ya eat??



Here's a pic of 4 needles. The top two have 5 clip positions, the third only has one (stock DR650), look closely, the bottom one has 6. Lying on their side, the positions count from the left to the right (top to bottom). If you put the clip in #1, the needle drops further into the needle jet (a replaceable part in the carb). This restricts the flow and leans the mixture.

The opposite is true, if you put the clip in #5, the needle is raised to a narrower point on the taper and the mixture gets richer (more fuel).

Ok, I did my part, your turn: I'm honestly not trying to be a butt head (and I was in your shoes a very long time ago). If you don't know a lot about the bike, why are you screwing with it? Reading stuff on the internet will make you nutz if you try to do it all. The only thing a stock DR needs is a new seat. Read less, ride more.

It took me an hour to find this photo is courtesy of mx_rob: (could not remember) Crap, it's midnite.
Thanks alot for your help!


Well, I've read many reviews that the TM-40 is pretty much the 'holy grail' of mods- that you'll have no regrets on...
So i saved up and put the trigger! Still have yet to install it but I'm particularly concern about the fuel consumption thereafter.


I'd opened the top cover of the TM40(with reference from the manual provided by PC) trying to gain access to the needle and clip for adjustment, but I just couldnt reach it with the needle and clip so far down inside the Carb...


To adjust the clip, what components/parts of the Carb do I have to unscrew to have access?
Thanks again!
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:58 AM   #63821
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I love the T63 for what I do. It wears better on the asphalt, and hooks up better on wet pavement. The only place where the MT21 was superior was greasy, muddy trails. Loose dirt, hard pack, and gravel, they're pretty equal.

I don't ride a lot of trails on the DR but on 'greasy', unpaved back roads the front TKC never seemed like it wanted to hold in corners and since I suck at riding in general that made me reluctant to try and turn harder. In the end I just rode very slowly and watched others dissappear into the distance. I know (after 40 years of this) that I should be more aggressive in getting the bike turned, hoping these will give me a bit more confidence to try.


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Old 05-05-2012, 08:13 AM   #63822
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I'd opened the top cover of the TM40(with reference from the manual provided by PC) trying to gain access to the needle and clip for adjustment, but I just couldnt reach it with the needle and clip so far down inside the Carb...
To adjust the clip, what components/parts of the Carb do I have to unscrew to have access?
Thanks again!
Twist the throttle pulley to wide open throttle. Now the top of the needle is easily accessible. You need a 2.5mm allen wrench to loosen the retainer. The retainer will rotate out of the way and allow the needle to be removed.

You haven't even installed it yet! Don't start trying to make tuning changes until you verify that they are needed. That's a recipe for getting lost in the jetting setup.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:30 AM   #63823
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Acerbis tank is sharp. I always thought the IMS tank looked good on the DR650. I'm gonna buy one or the other soon but I can't decide. Probably can't go wrong either way.

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You can now add me to the list of expectant DRs.

Can't even really tell the extra weight is there, but I can definitely feel it when I'm trying to grip the bike with my knees.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:20 AM   #63824
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......ADV8 hit the possibly stuck choke cable assembly (whatever type is on the bike)
Stock choke assy, the black plastic is, well it's plastic and has been known to break; murdering fuel mileage and difficult to diagnose.

I forgot to mention that the choke cable has corroded inside the liner on some DRs maybe caused by humidity, parking outside and age. When you think you've released the choke, the plunger stays partially choked. Remove the plastic nut (gently), pull the cable out and feel how the cable slides in and out. Be aware that the only thing reseating the plunger to choke off, is that little spring. Be careful putting the nut back into the carb, last time I did it, I had trouble getting the threads to start. One of my rules is: if you can't start it with your fingers, find out why! I avoid putting a wrench on something that won't start with my fingers.

Can you post pics, including the chain and sprockets?

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Thanks alot for your help!

Well, I've read many reviews that the TM-40 is pretty much the 'holy grail' of mods- that you'll have no regrets on...
So i saved up and put the trigger! Still have yet to install it but I'm particularly concern about the fuel consumption thereafter.

..............snip...............

Thanks again!
Thanks for answering my question.

A few observations: It's true that the TM-40 gets a lot of praise (I don't have any experience with one, mostly stock BST). Just remember that learning jetting can be frustrating as many have discovered, so be patient with your conversion. Fuel consumption is high on my priorities too. The 3.4 gallon stock tank is just big enough for my needs. Sure I could get one of the 5+ gal aftermarket tanks, but the DR is already top heavy (and the only reason I replaced the stock exhaust), my 30" inseam is on my tippy toes at stops and I don't want anymore weight fighting me.

Where are you and what are your riding plans? Long distances and camping, like Australia, or shorter stuff like my day rides? Are you a new rider or been doing this for years, on the street maybe?

If you're going to be riding any kind of dirt (fast, slow, far), suspension work will be an nice awesome improvement. I'm running a Cogent rear with the rebound option and Race Tech Emulators + Eibach 4.6 springs in the front, but that's leaning hard on $700.

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Great bag and great signature line.

.....Crystal Mill, etc.

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I forgot, the walk up to the marble mine is only about 15 or 20 minutes IIRC. It will seem a lot farther if you're wearing something like SIDI Crossfires though.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:43 AM   #63825
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The best thing you can do with a TM40 is to use the Procycle set up. Don't try and reinvent the wheel.

BUT! Do verify the set up of the needle position and the main jet size before installing. It takes very little effort.

Mine had the correct needle position, but the main was a 140, which is stock. I needed a 145 at the time. Now I run a 150 with the GSXR exhaust. Needle has stayed at 3 if I remember right.

I gained an average of 3 mpg over the BST for some reason. I was expecting less with a pumper. The bike averages 50 mpg now, with the jetted BST 47 mpg was my best. I saw 54 mpg on a long interstate run at 65 mph. I'm happy.

Even while hammering the throttle up hwy 28 it still gets around 49 mpg.

Keep in mind fuel blend vary, I do burn rual 87 octane and I seek out non-ethanol go juice as much as possible. Having a big safari tank helps me pick and choose my fuel stops, I rode 300 miles yesterday on 100% gas, still have about 3 or 4 gallons left. ;)
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