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Old 05-12-2012, 01:39 PM   #64156
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Righto gents... I just found a 2006 DR650 at a local dealership, and I hope y'all don't mind some questions.

Under 3000 miles, they want $3999 (too much, and I told them that). $3000-$3500 is about the highest I would go, especially since it's mostly stock and has some damage on the muff and tank. FL tends to have high prices on used motos for some reason though.

It has a Givi thin-wall-plastic top-box (I'm not into top-boxes... I reckon I could use it for a bit then sell it), It might grow on you, what with the commuting. I like having someplace to lock things up. These aren't the most secure, but my bike also has an alarm. I like the 45L Givi I have, but I'm even looking for a good deal on a 55L for trips.

a dent in the tank with paint flaked off, minor dent pock-marks on the muffler's guard plate on the right side of the bike, and it has a bottom-guard of some sort. It's also the color I least wanted... yellow. (sorry Yellow owners)

These things are often/easily changed. I'd use them as bargaining chips to negotiate price though. If the side plastics and headlight shroud are white, with a plain black seat, just changing the fenders will effectively change the color of the DR...given a neutral tank. My DR has blue fenders with white sides/shroud/tank. With my tankbag and tank panniers on, the bike basically just looks blue.

1.) I am only 5'10", 32" inseam at max... more like 30" for dress pants... yet with thin flip-flops I was able to basically flat-foot it, or flat-foot one foot, and the other would be up less than a centimeter at the heel... but basically felt like flat-footing both sides... so with boots I'd be flat-footed no problem. I noticed that when I got on it the suspension went down quite a bit (185 lbs.). This doesn't seem right, but I've never sat on a DR650 before. Sure, OK, so it's a Japanese bike, and we all know they spring them for anorexic japanese teen-agers... so I don't mind switching springs up front, but I'm going to guess the rear spring will cost me dearly to get it up to par.

How so? You get a new spring for your weight and swap it on. What usually costs a bit is getting the dampening set up right. Compression dampening is adjustable, with the stock shock, but rebound dampening can pretty much only be adjusted by changing the fluid. To be able to adjust the rebound dampening without changing fluid, the shock has to be modified/swapped.

This will be a initially re-geared (with, what, a 17-tooth front sprocket?) slab-commuting bike expected to do Florida speeds (I'll need to work the suspension to be stable at 80 MPH, or faster, and it will get road tires on the rims for now... it has what look like original Bridgestone tires on it).

Why re-gear? A stock DR is geared pretty tall...15/42. You might like to go as tall as 16/42, but I'd recommend a flat-slide pumper carb if you go that route, to smooth out your pull at low revs. Even with stock gearing, you'll run out of power in 5th before you run out of revs. I'd concentrate more on the suspension and the air/fuel flow first. If you just get those right, the DR is pretty competent on the highway.

2.) it has a Corbin seat (again, ugly blue and yellow), but color me shocked when I found out how soft it is... Unexpected and disappointing for a Corbin - I expected that high-quality firm foam support from them (I own a Corbin on another bike), and can't imagine this one is any better than a stock soft-foam saddle so many bikes come with. So this seems wrong as well.

I wouldn't recommend a Corbin for this bike. It's a dualsport, where weight counts more than on a 500lb+ cruiser. The stiff-pan Corbin also might not work well if you're switching tanks. Sell it and buy a flexible-pan stock seat that weighs less, then upgrade that with something like a Seat Concepts or Saddlemen re-cover kit. Do the work yourself and you might come out $$ ahead.

How much $ am I looking at to change the plastics to some other color... I know I can spray-paint what is on the bike, but that seems extreme for such a new bike. I don't know if I could use ebay to sell the plastics on it, but I guess there'd be a market.

Yes, there can be a market for some colors. I see plastics on Ebay and other listing sites. Procycle and several others also sell new plastics for the DR. Some bits from other bikes can also be made to fit. DR-Z, KTM, and RM fenders are popular. My DR wears a Polisport YZF front fender that I got new for under $10. I've seen rear fenders on Ebay for $20. It might take time to find a specific color for a good price though.

I can't think of much else, but I know I'm looking at an investment to get the bike up to a quasi-super-moto that is ready for 400 miles a week commuting. I really can't find any other style of bike with such a neutral seating position, and I like the ability it will have to take it on dirt roads and trails.

You can also change the ergos quite a bit on the DR to fit you even better...taller bars, bar risers, angle-changes on the bars, lowered rider pegs, lowered pillion pegs, touring pegs bolted onto the skid, taller/lower/flatter/narrower seat, etc.

Any input would be helpful. I'm sure it's a good bike due to the mileage, but ... so much needs changed on it to make it anything like I'd want. On top of that, I've seen DR's through the Flea Market here, and on craigslist in other states, for less money that I'd rather have.

I'm waiting for a phone call with their best offer since I told him what my research showed on the price and prices of others. Aside form the price, though, any comments about anything I've noted above?
For commuting, I'd definitely want a larger tank than stock. I have an IMS 4.9 that usually gets me about 220-230 miles to Reserve, but I usually travel at 75MPH or less. Acerbis just came out with a 5.something that is slightly bigger and has decent reviews on fit and finish. If you hate stopping all the time for fuel, there is also the Aqualine Safari tank. I believe it's listed as 7.9gal, but some people are reporting filling with around 9gal after it expands a bit. Plastic tanks can do this. My IMS 4.9 has taken 5.2gal before, and I've never run it dry. Locking caps are also available for these, but you will likely want to improve the venting.

I also like having lockable storage. PacSafe makes an 80L bag that is nice for locking up your riding gear. They also offer mesh to cover your soft luggage and lock it to the bike. I also lock the bike frame and wheels up with a Xena alarmed disc-lock and a 15-30' cable to something solid. Put a decent paging alarm on the bike too.

www.Procycle.us, www.kientech.com, www.motorcyclesuperstore.com, www.bikebandit.com, and many others carry a LOT of different things for setting up you and your bike the way you want.

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Old 05-12-2012, 02:11 PM   #64157
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Wear is specific to just the rider in my case. There's a reason I have this stockpile of tires


Just a few here, I've got 5 more under the house and my spare set of dirt wheels/tires for the DR in the Garage.

I try to snag good deals on Craig's List when I have time ... if I can get them shipped or are close by. Just put a new set of Pirelli's on my Tiger from Craig's. Great deal, brand new.

The 5 tires under the house are most near new ones for giveaway to passing travelers. Mostly 21's and 17's, one MT60 18".
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:57 PM   #64158
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Just thought I would let everyone know: DO NOT WASH YOUR DR WITH SUPER CLEAN! Even diluted it stained a lot of stuff. Took me an hour just to get the white off the rims. On a side note.... The dirt and gunk hosed right off. Live and learn.
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:16 PM   #64159
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will running the bike without the o-ring that goes inside the filter housing cause any engine damage? I was changing the oil today and I realized that I didnt have an o-ring.

will the paper fibers left from wiping the excess oil from the oil filter housing with a paper towel cause any damage?

can i install a centerstand and still have my sidestand?
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:20 PM   #64160
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Righto gents... I just found a 2006 DR650 at a local dealership, and I hope y'all don't mind some questions.

Under 3000 miles, they want $3999 (too much, and I told them that).
...
I paid $3500 for a `06 DR650 with only 500 miles on it and no dents/dings/rust/etc. in `08 (from an individual, not dealer.) I think that was about book price back then.

kbb.com list the '06 in excellent condition at $3480 (seems kinda high to me.)

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Old 05-12-2012, 04:32 PM   #64161
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will running the bike without the o-ring that goes inside the filter housing cause any engine damage? I was changing the oil today and I realized that I didnt have an o-ring.

will the paper fibers left from wiping the excess oil from the oil filter housing with a paper towel cause any damage?

can i install a centerstand and still have my sidestand?
when I got my 2011, I ordered the procycle oil change kit, you click on the special package deals and at the bottom of the page.
It comes with 10 filters, o-rings,oil plug magnet,filter magnet,for $60. bucks.
I have the sw center stand and you keep the side stand. I only use the center stand when I work on the bike.
If you are talking about the small o-ring that the filter goes over it will not filter 100% I would not think it would damage a thing.
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Old 05-12-2012, 04:55 PM   #64162
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will running the bike without the o-ring that goes inside the filter housing cause any engine damage? I was changing the oil today and I realized that I didnt have an o-ring.

will the paper fibers left from wiping the excess oil from the oil filter housing with a paper towel cause any damage?

can i install a centerstand and still have my sidestand?
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If you are talking about the small o-ring that the filter goes over it will not filter 100% I would not think it would damage a thing.
If you're asking about #14 that Zdiver mentioned, you can just take the filter back out and install it. Do it after the bike is cold so the oil has drained down. The paper fibers won't hurt, but don't make a habit out of leaving things inside that you can see.

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Old 05-12-2012, 06:36 PM   #64163
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will running the bike without the o-ring that goes inside the filter housing cause any engine damage? I was changing the oil today and I realized that I didnt have an o-ring.

will the paper fibers left from wiping the excess oil from the oil filter housing with a paper towel cause any damage?

can i install a centerstand and still have my sidestand?
I would use a better paper towel.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:48 PM   #64164
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Almost four years ago a local machining/fabrication guy came up with a unique drop bracket configuration for the operator foot pegs on the 1999 and newer DR650. This configuration utilizes the Suzuki designed vibration isolation feature. This drop bracket configuration is best for folks that ride mostly street/gravel roads and are not doing that much 'stand up' riding off-road. This is due to the lowering of the foot pegs beneath the frame and the vibration isolation feature was designed for a mostly seated rider.

Anyways he's still got 6-7 bracket sets from this one time CNC production run and wants to get rid of them.......first come first serve..........when they are gone that's it. He has reduced the price to $60 shipped vs. the $75 previously (Paypal fees extra). The guy that had him design and manufacture these drop brackets posted up a review of them...........read thru the links below for more info, pictures and his contact info if interested


http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7817999&postcount=16710


http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...ostcount=16712
There's a good chance he didn't come up with a "unique drop bracket configuration"...

This post mentions getting the idea from TrailZone Magazine...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=1665

And there's been CAD drawings on this site for almost 4 years too...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=1669
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:39 PM   #64165
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For commuting, I'd definitely want a larger tank than stock. I have an IMS 4.9 that usually gets me about 220-230 miles to Reserve, but I usually travel at 75MPH or less. Acerbis just came out with a 5.something that is slightly bigger and has decent reviews on fit and finish. If you hate stopping all the time for fuel, there is also the Aqualine Safari tank. I believe it's listed as 7.9gal, but some people are reporting filling with around 9gal after it expands a bit. Plastic tanks can do this. My IMS 4.9 has taken 5.2gal before, and I've never run it dry. Locking caps are also available for these, but you will likely want to improve the venting.
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Thanks so mu Kommando, and you too alonzo.

I just made a call on this one:

2002 DR650



Certainly older, and more stock, but with a DG exhaust, jetted with a 160, and lower miles. Might be able to get it for the mid-$2000 range.

I don't know about these super-low-mile DR's here in Florida... seems tough to believe. Anyone happen to know of a compression number or range for a low-mile DR650? I may bring a compression tester to test it.

And thanks for the reminder about the Corbins not fitting larger tanks well, Kommando - a large tank a must for what I do with it. I like the options you gave, and can see going that route.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:55 PM   #64166
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I blame you!

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/d...spx?item=96328 The thread is slow my last upgrade is on back ordered with PC, so I logged into gallery of guns and picked up a full sized 1911 to add to my gun collection it would be nice if you guys would pick it up so I would not look around.

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Old 05-12-2012, 08:03 PM   #64167
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Thumb Acerbis Black tank

Acerbis Black tank

When you get the tank weigh it empty and weigh the stock tank empty I wanted to do it and forgot.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:03 PM   #64168
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Thank you. I was looking for the link you posted and was not successful. I will try it out and update.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:06 PM   #64169
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Righto gents... I just found a 2006 DR650 at a local dealership, and I hope y'all don't mind some questions.

Under 3000 miles, they want $3999 (too much, and I told them that). It has a Givi thin-wall-plastic top-box (I'm not into top-boxes... I reckon I could use it for a bit then sell it), a dent in the tank with paint flaked off, minor dent pock-marks on the muffler's guard plate on the right side of the bike, and it has a bottom-guard of some sort. It's also the color I least wanted... yellow. (sorry Yellow owners)

1.) I am only 5'10", 32" inseam at max... more like 30" for dress pants... yet with thin flip-flops I was able to basically flat-foot it, or flat-foot one foot, and the other would be up less than a centimeter at the heel... but basically felt like flat-footing both sides... so with boots I'd be flat-footed no problem. I noticed that when I got on it the suspension went down quite a bit (185 lbs.). This doesn't seem right, but I've never sat on a DR650 before. Sure, OK, so it's a Japanese bike, and we all know they spring them for anorexic japanese teen-agers... so I don't mind switching springs up front, but I'm going to guess the rear spring will cost me dearly to get it up to par.

This will be a initially re-geared (with, what, a 17-tooth front sprocket?) slab-commuting bike expected to do Florida speeds (I'll need to work the suspension to be stable at 80 MPH, or faster, and it will get road tires on the rims for now... it has what look like original Bridgestone tires on it).

2.) it has a Corbin seat (again, ugly blue and yellow), but color me shocked when I found out how soft it is... Unexpected and disappointing for a Corbin - I expected that high-quality firm foam support from them (I own a Corbin on another bike), and can't imagine this one is any better than a stock soft-foam saddle so many bikes come with. So this seems wrong as well.

How much $ am I looking at to change the plastics to some other color... I know I can spray-paint what is on the bike, but that seems extreme for such a new bike. I don't know if I could use ebay to sell the plastics on it, but I guess there'd be a market.

I can't think of much else, but I know I'm looking at an investment to get the bike up to a quasi-super-moto that is ready for 400 miles a week commuting. I really can't find any other style of bike with such a neutral seating position, and I like the ability it will have to take it on dirt roads and trails.

Any input would be helpful. I'm sure it's a good bike due to the mileage, but ... so much needs changed on it to make it anything like I'd want. On top of that, I've seen DR's through the Flea Market here, and on craigslist in other states, for less money that I'd rather have.

I'm waiting for a phone call with their best offer since I told him what my research showed on the price and prices of others. Aside form the price, though, any comments about anything I've noted above? Thanks for any input.
Mambo...just curious. If you're planning to put on a 17 tooth gear and slap commute with it, why are you interested in a DR versus maybe a Wee Strom?
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:08 PM   #64170
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Anyone happen to know of a compression number or range for a low-mile DR650? I may bring a compression tester to test it.
The DR is notorious for trapping debris around the two plugs, bring a flashlight, your smallest screwdriver and a can of brake clean to jettison the muck, or you'll get a cylinder full...

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