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Old 06-06-2012, 08:06 PM   #65566
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32mm open end is right so that narrows it down to 46mm on the Honda and 38mm for the Kaw on the ring nut size. The Yam open end is 30mm so that leaves that out. I think the DR ring nut is around 42mm so the answer is not exactly.
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Ha! Found it. Here is the one for Suzuki. 32mm/42mm. I took my caliper to it to verify the nut diameter.

http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/HP...TEM-NUT-WRENCH

It's rather inexpensive too =)
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:34 PM   #65567
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Thanks.. tell me about search areas...my search area is the entire U.S though I would be happier with a nearer one, ( I love a fly and ride every summer )
This link is pretty good for checking areas with 1 click http://www.bikefinds.com/suzuki-dr650-for-sale-in-south

Your right none in your state, the states are small back there though so?

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Old 06-06-2012, 09:45 PM   #65568
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Procycle Supermoto Tires

So I was looking into doing a supermoto conversion, and sending my hubs to Procycle seemed like the cheapest way to do it (assuming I couldn't find the wheels second hand elsewhere). However, when I was looking at the tire sizes on the 17" Excel rims and converted that to metric, I could barely find any tires that would fit those rims. According to motorcycle-superstore, the only tires they have that fit a 3.5" wide 17" rim is a single Avon tire. I thought that half the point of going with supermoto tires is that it allows you to run regular street/sport bike tires. Am I looking at an incorrect tire size chart (using the WebBikeWorld one currently), or are the Excel rims not the right ones to get. Just looking at street tires that fit my stock DR650 rims seems to produce more options on almost every site I've checked. For anyone out there that's done the supermoto conversion, I'd love to know what rims you're using, what size they are, and what tires you run on there. Since I don't hardly do any real dirt riding with my 650, putting longer lasting and better handling road tires on it seems like a step in the right direction.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:14 PM   #65569
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So I was looking into doing a supermoto conversion, and sending my hubs to Procycle seemed like the cheapest way to do it (assuming I couldn't find the wheels second hand elsewhere). However, when I was looking at the tire sizes on the 17" Excel rims and converted that to metric, I could barely find any tires that would fit those rims. According to motorcycle-superstore, the only tires they have that fit a 3.5" wide 17" rim is a single Avon tire. I thought that half the point of going with supermoto tires is that it allows you to run regular street/sport bike tires. Am I looking at an incorrect tire size chart (using the WebBikeWorld one currently), or are the Excel rims not the right ones to get. Just looking at street tires that fit my stock DR650 rims seems to produce more options on almost every site I've checked. For anyone out there that's done the supermoto conversion, I'd love to know what rims you're using, what size they are, and what tires you run on there. Since I don't hardly do any real dirt riding with my 650, putting longer lasting and better handling road tires on it seems like a step in the right direction.
There's are a lot of tire choices for the 17" SM wheels. ProCycle has many of the most popular choices on their web site. They also do package deal pricing, so if you are going to have them lace 17" rims to your hubs you will likely save money buying the tires from them and have them do the mounting and balancing too. I'm not sure what Avon tire you were looking at but I'm real happy with the Continental Contiforce SM's mounted on the 4.25"x17 and 3.50"x17 Excel rims I bought from them. The Conti's just happen to be the least expensive option. You wont need to go any wider than a 150 in the rear.

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Old 06-06-2012, 10:22 PM   #65570
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According to motorcycle-superstore, the only tires they have that fit a 3.5" wide 17" rim is a single Avon tire.
Near every sport bike on the planet has a 17/3.5 inch front rim,the normal fitment is a 120/70/17 tyre/tire so there are scores of choices.
A 150/70/17 rear as Tech23 says is the usual tyre for a 4.25 inch rear rim.
I have been running Michelin pilot road 2's for some time which are a good all rounder,the new 3's may be even better.
They are also OK off road if it is dry.

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Old 06-06-2012, 10:50 PM   #65571
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Near every sport bike on the planet has a 17/3.5 inch front rim,the normal fitment is a 120/70/17 tyre/tire so there are scores of choices.
A 150/70/17 rear as Tech23 says is the usual tyre for a 4.25 inch rear rim.
I have been running Michelin pilot road 2's for some time which are a good all rounder,the new 3's may be even better.
They are also OK off road if it is dry.

ADV8...is that your Motarded DR in this pic?

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Old 06-06-2012, 11:06 PM   #65572
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Yes,but before the RMZ450 forks so 2010 or earlier.
I liked the steering better with the shorter DR forks over the longer RMZ items.

There will be a few pics in here somewhere.... fwiw if anything.

http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/

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Old 06-06-2012, 11:19 PM   #65573
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The disadvantage of MotoX forks is they are longer. Not much good for the vertically challenged. Makes the steering angle super slow.

On my trail DR I fixed this by cutting off the standard rear end and starting from scratch with a book on frame design and having measured up the donor bike (RMZ450).

So it sits high in the rear now, with about 340mm of rear travel...about 295mm front.

The first thing I noticed on my 2nd DR with an RM front end and the Racetech/DR rear end is that it steers like I'm riding a cruiser. Once under hard brakes it feels better. But I have it sprung for a load that isn't on it at the moment (I planned for a 30 litre tank, and tank bags etc). It does feel rock solid on the highway, where the trail version rides like a trail bike on the highway.

On the 2nd DR I dropped the triple clamps on the fork tubes by 20mm, and set the preload harder to lift the rear. It's very firm, I'm running the old Scorpions off my BMW (150/70-17 rear and a 90/90-21 front) and it sticks like shit to a blanket.

Having super firm suspension and sticky tyres is so much fun. I love it as an around town bike. I'm going to build a motard front and rear wheel for it, and run some motard brakes.

It'll shame the sports bikes around here easy then. Nothing upsets a sportsbike rider more than a DR going around them in the twisties. You can actually see the steam coming from their helmets.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:35 PM   #65574
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Yes,but before the RMZ450 forks so 2010 or earlier.
I liked the steering better with the shorter DR forks over the longer RMZ items.

There will be a few pics in here somewhere.... fwiw if anything.

http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/manurewa/

Cool pics, are all those bikes yours...whats up with the eyeballs? I didn't know you had converted your DR into a Supermoto. I don't ride off road any more and a dual sport on the road is always fun but it doesn't take a lot to make a DR much better on the street. I love mine, I'm glad I made the decision to go SM. I just hope I don't get into any trouble with it in the twisties. Suzuki really should have offered two versions on the 650 IMO.



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Old 06-06-2012, 11:41 PM   #65575
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The disadvantage of MotoX forks is they are longer. Not much good for the vertically challenged. Makes the steering angle super slow.
Same rake with the 17 inch wheel.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:57 AM   #65576
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The disadvantage of MotoX forks is they are longer. Not much good for the vertically challenged. Makes the steering angle super slow.

On my trail DR I fixed this by cutting off the standard rear end and starting from scratch with a book on frame design and having measured up the donor bike (RMZ450).

So it sits high in the rear now, with about 340mm of rear travel...about 295mm front.

The first thing I noticed on my 2nd DR with an RM front end and the Racetech/DR rear end is that it steers like I'm riding a cruiser. Once under hard brakes it feels better. But I have it sprung for a load that isn't on it at the moment (I planned for a 30 litre tank, and tank bags etc). It does feel rock solid on the highway, where the trail version rides like a trail bike on the highway.

On the 2nd DR I dropped the triple clamps on the fork tubes by 20mm, and set the preload harder to lift the rear. It's very firm, I'm running the old Scorpions off my BMW (150/70-17 rear and a 90/90-21 front) and it sticks like shit to a blanket.

Having super firm suspension and sticky tyres is so much fun. I love it as an around town bike. I'm going to build a motard front and rear wheel for it, and run some motard brakes.

It'll shame the sports bikes around here easy then. Nothing upsets a sportsbike rider more than a DR going around them in the twisties. You can actually see the steam coming from their helmets.
FWIW, when I set mine up with the USD WPs, I also fitted the 18" rim and the Ohlins up back which is a bit longer so net result is more or less stock geometry, with both ends up about 25-28 mm from original.

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Old 06-07-2012, 01:22 AM   #65577
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FWIW, when I set mine up with the USD WPs, I also fitted the 18" rim and the Ohlins up back which is a bit longer so net result is more or less stock geometry, with both ends up about 25-28 mm from original.

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Just got an email from a guy who I rode with the other week and he had a play on my DR. He said "Read your thread about your bike. Legend stuff. I shouldn't have ridden your bike as now it's my baseline comparison and it's now almost impossible to throw a leg of the KTM 640 (nicknamed 'paint shaker')."


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Old 06-07-2012, 01:41 AM   #65578
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I am curious about the Moly additive... Which product and what mixing ratio do you use? Any problems with the clutch from, for example an overdose?
Never had any problems.

I've added enough to treat 2 car engines. The car version comes in a bigger tin and is cheaper per treatment rate than the motorcycle version, which is the same product just packaged differently.



I did overdose my little ZZR once, and it's clutch had had about 4 learners through it, and already had issues slipping. I noticed it had just a tiny bit more likely hood of slipping at full acceleration going through the gears.

But in the DR...I usually just add half a tin of the car version with each oil change.

I've had to cut costs since I stopped work. plus I'm racking up huge mileage on 3 different dual sports.

It's a hard life, but one of us has to take the big hits for the team.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:43 AM   #65579
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Just got an email from a guy who I rode with the other week and he had a play on my DR. He said "Read your thread about your bike. Legend stuff. I shouldn't have ridden your bike as now it's my baseline comparison and it's now almost impossible to throw a leg of the KTM 640 (nicknamed 'paint shaker')."


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Yeah, letting people ride a nice DR leads to a lot of hours in the shed fixing theirs I've found.

It's funny how blokes who are good with their hands and know their way around a bike can suddenly be so useless because you've done something unusual.

They'd rather show up with the bike and throw beer at you to fix it for them.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:41 AM   #65580
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Cool pics, are all those bikes yours...whats up with the eyeballs? I didn't know you had converted your DR into a Supermoto. I don't ride off road any more and a dual sport on the road is always fun but it doesn't take a lot to make a DR much better on the street. I love mine, I'm glad I made the decision to go SM. I just hope I don't get into any trouble with it in the twisties. Suzuki really should have offered two versions on the 650 IMO.

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I think I got the Procycle SM wheels and brakes in 2009 and just swapped back and forth although the road wheels were fine on dirt roads in the dry.
The eyes are my partner who is a Ocularist,the only one in Australia working with glass,everything she makes goes back to F.Ad. Müller Söhne in Germany.
I get the unwanted ones,simple minds are amused easily.
As far as the DR650SM,I would regard it as a better all rounder than the Hypermotard.
Suzuki could have built it themselves with the DRZ SM parts given they all bolt on.

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