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Old 09-11-2012, 09:13 PM   #69016
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My humble thoughts on the 244 rear tire is it works. Decent life and I find it a good compromise for dirt and pavement. I was running mine at 18 psi and ground a footpeg in a switchback on the Million Dollar Highway yesterday. Probably sucks in mud but I do too. I don't run in mud. Running a Pirelli MT21 up front and it rocks in the loose stuff and even at 18 psi it sticks to pavement.

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Old 09-11-2012, 09:20 PM   #69017
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Not to start a heavy heated argument but I see a lot of people on here raving about the 800XC as a replacement for the DR650.

I say...NO WAY IN HELL is it even comparable. And it'll be a cold day that a street bike even comes close to competing with the DR.

Why???

Simply because it weighs more than 100lbs more, is shocked/strutted for street use, and gets horrible (low 40's) gas mileage before adding things like panniers.

I used to have an 800GS which is a hell of a better off-road adventure bike than the 800XC (better shocks, lighter weight, better gas mileage) and the 800GS was STILL about 100lbs too heavy without accessories.

So I challenge anyone who is touting the "XC" as a replacement for the DR to step up and give us some proof. Seriously. I just don't think the XC has any chance of being anything more than another street machine.

The DR is an OFF-ROAD machine and A STREET machine all in one. 80 mph on the highway then bombing the rocky single track and rutted trail with ease. What other bike can do that? That is all.
I can't say that it's a complete replacement for the off-road capabilities that the DR650 has, but I can say that I wasn't exactly running away from my riding partner that has one either. If you've got the skills to ride the DR650 to its limits in the dirt, then yes, the 800XC will be a major step down. I don't think it's a replacement for the DR650 as much as a replacement for a KLR, which is what it was bought for in the one case that I know of. Yeah, it's heavy as sin and is softly sprung, but that's probably what everyone over in the KTM section is saying about us.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:24 PM   #69018
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So here's a fun little noob question for the masses: I followed a set of instructions from Kientech (think that's where I got it anyways) about doing some basic carb mods. Since I didn't have any washers small enough for the needle, I decided to just drill my slide - no pun intended. My question is, what exactly does this do? I know everyone says that it improves throttle response, but I'm not sure (A) what exactly I'm going to feel as the difference and (B) what exactly it's doing that's improving this "throttle response." Is it that drilling it out has the effect of reducing the amount of mass sliding back and forth, thus making it smoother/faster? This would be akin to the holes drilled into sprockets, so I guess that makes sense, but it doesn't seem like a few tiny holes in the plastic would make that much of a difference. Is there something else going on there, or is it more of a placebo effect? All told, it was a pretty easy thing to look at, and it was just another excuse to get out in the garage and take a wrench to the poor bike again.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:25 PM   #69019
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Running a Michelin MT21
Pirelli MT21. (Michelin does the T63, Anakee, Desert, and AC10.)
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:44 PM   #69020
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Pirelli MT21. (Michelin does the T63, Anakee, Desert, and AC10.)
Yea....That's what I said. I better back off the Tito and Kulula Thanks for the correction.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:58 PM   #69021
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So here's a fun little noob question for the masses: I followed a set of instructions from Kientech (think that's where I got it anyways) about doing some basic carb mods. Since I didn't have any washers small enough for the needle, I decided to just drill my slide - no pun intended. My question is, what exactly does this do? I know everyone says that it improves throttle response, but I'm not sure (A) what exactly I'm going to feel as the difference and (B) what exactly it's doing that's improving this "throttle response." Is it that drilling it out has the effect of reducing the amount of mass sliding back and forth, thus making it smoother/faster? This would be akin to the holes drilled into sprockets, so I guess that makes sense, but it doesn't seem like a few tiny holes in the plastic would make that much of a difference. Is there something else going on there, or is it more of a placebo effect? All told, it was a pretty easy thing to look at, and it was just another excuse to get out in the garage and take a wrench to the poor bike again.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:05 PM   #69022
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I'll be damned if that isn't downright depressing. I was really banking on those three extra inches too.


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Old 09-11-2012, 10:14 PM   #69023
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acesandeights,

Electrical problems drive me crazy. I was just searching around to see if a bad ground might be the problem. I couldn't find anything definitive, but I would check all connectors and the battery connections to begin with.
I am sure someone will come along with some more ideas or possibly experienced the same problem.

Good luck!
Sorry about that, I put nevermind because I was late for an appointment, but it was a loose fuse or loose positive battery connection, or something that just started working. I don't really know because as I was taking things off I pulled a fuse to check it and it wasn't blown so I plugged it back in. I was looking at the battery cables and saw one was maybe a little loose. Before I tightened it I turned the key and everything worked fine so I don't know if the cable was loose and me touching it was enough to push it to where ever it needed to be (I tightened it since it was loose), or if the fuse was something, I don't know. I just know I didn't really do anything except pull the side covers and seat off and now everything is working right again. Even the fast blinking turn signals are blinking normally.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:33 AM   #69024
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So here's a fun little noob question for the masses: I followed a set of instructions from Kientech (think that's where I got it anyways) about doing some basic carb mods. Since I didn't have any washers small enough for the needle, I decided to just drill my slide - no pun intended. My question is, what exactly does this do? I know everyone says that it improves throttle response, but I'm not sure (A) what exactly I'm going to feel as the difference and (B) what exactly it's doing that's improving this "throttle response." Is it that drilling it out has the effect of reducing the amount of mass sliding back and forth, thus making it smoother/faster? This would be akin to the holes drilled into sprockets, so I guess that makes sense, but it doesn't seem like a few tiny holes in the plastic would make that much of a difference. Is there something else going on there, or is it more of a placebo effect? All told, it was a pretty easy thing to look at, and it was just another excuse to get out in the garage and take a wrench to the poor bike again.
Search: The BST-40 bible by Laramie lc4 on ADV. I just went through my carb on my recently acquired DR and this was helpful. Drilling the slide has nothing to do with making it lighter.

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Old 09-12-2012, 08:02 AM   #69025
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Regarding all of the recent comments about the 800xc, let me give my opinion after having owned the 800 road version.

They are hot, especially on the right side---hotter than ANY new bike I have owned since 2007 ( which includes 2 Harleys, BMW 800, Bandit, FJR, Z1000). I found the 800 to be "a ride only under 80 degrees" bike. I kept my trusty DR through all of these bikes and found myself riding the DR far more than any of these other bikes.

The second problem was the throttle. It was "twichy". It was as if there was no throttle cable slack (had it at the dealer twice for this and they said this was "normal"). The throttle was either off or on resulting in a jerky ride. It was difficult to ride at a constant speed in any of the lower gears.

I recently sold the 800 because of these issues, and am now riding only the DR.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:06 AM   #69026
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Is a used rear shock assembly worth anything? My bike has 4,500 miles and I'm considering selling the complete rear shock assembly with spring. Is there a market for it and if so, any idea what it's worth?
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:14 AM   #69027
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The DR is an OFF-ROAD machine and A STREET machine all in one. 80 mph on the highway then bombing the rocky single track and rutted trail with ease. What other bike can do that? That is all.
Well, in all fairness the XR650L is pretty comparable, and my 690 does both MUCH BETTER. But, I do like my DR for what it is.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:34 AM   #69028
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Well, in all fairness the XR650L is pretty comparable, and my 690 does both MUCH BETTER. But, I do like my DR for what it is.
I've heard that the XR650L is better offroad just because of the additional ground clearance and the larger diameter rear tire. Still, the DR650 is more than capable of everything I'm capable of. What makes the DR so awesome is that it's so cheap and easy to work on. I'm sure the KTM isn't going to be as easy or cheap to repair when it goes TU.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:58 AM   #69029
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Is a used rear shock assembly worth anything? My bike has 4,500 miles and I'm considering selling the complete rear shock assembly with spring. Is there a market for it and if so, any idea what it's worth?
ProCycle will pay $100 for it (or $150 store credit).
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:06 AM   #69030
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Not to start a heavy heated argument but I see a lot of people on here raving about the 800XC as a replacement for the DR650.

I say...NO WAY IN HELL is it even comparable. And it'll be a cold day that a street bike even comes close to competing with the DR.

Why???

Simply because it weighs more than 100lbs more, is shocked/strutted for street use, and gets horrible (low 40's) gas mileage before adding things like panniers.

I used to have an 800GS which is a hell of a better off-road adventure bike than the 800XC (better shocks, lighter weight, better gas mileage) and the 800GS was STILL about 100lbs too heavy without accessories.

So I challenge anyone who is touting the "XC" as a replacement for the DR to step up and give us some proof. Seriously. I just don't think the XC has any chance of being anything more than another street machine.

The DR is an OFF-ROAD machine and A STREET machine all in one. 80 mph on the highway then bombing the rocky single track and rutted trail with ease. What other bike can do that? That is all.

Wow, are you sure we're talking about the same bike?

The Tiger 800XC weighs in at about 470 wet. That's about the same weight as a current-gen KLR650 wet (based on actually weighing a friend's 2009 model full of gas and no accessories). yeah that's about 100 lbs heavier than the DR, but you get 3x the cylinders among other things.

Suspension... I call baloney here. The stock suspension is lightyears ahead of the DR650's stock suspension. Rework both, and the Tiger is still ahead. Av_mech here on advrider had his 800XC's suspension redone by Sasquatch and said it's a huge improvement over stock.

The reviews I've read on the F800GS vs the 800XC is that the BMW is very top-heavy by comparison. It also sits taller, which sucks for those of us with short legs. I also rode the 800GS an hour after I rode the 800XC and wouldn't have taken one if they gave it to me. Didn't like anything about it, especially the vibration. The Tiger was smooth as silk.

Now, the DR's huge advantage over either of those is its simplicity -- no electronics to fool with.

And since I don't have $15k to buy and properly outfit an 800XC, I will upgrade my DR650 instead... once I finish the suspension, it'll get a 790 kit, and then it should be pretty darn good.

But let's remember that the 800XC is the OFFROAD version of the Tiger 800 line. The regular 800 is the street model. The 800XC has more suspension travel, and spoked wheels (21" front).

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