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Old 09-25-2012, 01:50 AM   #69451
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Thanks for the measurements mate. Here's a shot of mine. Looks pretty much the same with pin wound up as far as possible.


A bit of an update.....
Well done, Greystoke!!!

So, it could have been the sticky valve, weird float passage thingy, or dirty idle circuit?
The idle adjuster does look fine. Thanks for the photo.
My ear isn't really calibrated to rpm but it sounds good to me!
All that's left is minor adjustments for ease of starting and no stalling!!! Oh, and fixing the choke.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:49 AM   #69452
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I replaced the bars with ones that are a bit longer, like 1 cm each side. That caused some problems when turning right but as I was working on a friends freewind a few nights ago I noticed that his were routed on the right side so that gave me the idea. I rerouted the cables and now I have plenty slack. It isn't a cable problem, I've adjusted them properly for sure. I'll make more tests in the evening after I get off work. Thank you all for your help.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:54 AM   #69453
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Hi,

Can anybody please tell me if there should be any hose attached to the highlighed port on the stock carb?


I just noticed today that this port is not connected with anything in my case. I guess it's a port for ventilation purposes, an I wonder if a hose is missing on my bike.
OOps! for some reason, it seems that my image was not visible... here it is again:


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Old 09-25-2012, 05:31 AM   #69454
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Well done, Greystoke!!!

So, it could have been the sticky valve, weird float passage thingy, or dirty idle circuit?
The idle adjuster does look fine. Thanks for the photo.
My ear isn't really calibrated to rpm but it sounds good to me!
All that's left is minor adjustments for ease of starting and no stalling!!! Oh, and fixing the choke.
I'd put money on the float needle sticking being the main issue. Took it around the block a few times and seemed ok. It's always been a little rough and decided to raise the needle one clip, something i've been meaning to do for ages and now she starts first time every time (today). I'd go so far as to say it feels better than it ever has. Fingers crossed she loves me in the morning.

Thanks again to ER70S-2, Feelers, motolab, Adv Grifter, Mongle and anyone else I missed that suggested stuff. Really appreciated
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:58 AM   #69455
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...If you can't solve this (carb probs) ... I'd buy a nice BST Carb off someone here ... preferably a nice virginal one that hasn't been "Tuned". Good luck Bob and good work getting her running! You are almost there!
Bob808: I have a completely unmolested BST40 I took off my 09 when it had 42 miles on it. It's been sitting on a box on my bench for 2 years. If interested PM me - I'll make you a sweet deal on it. (USA only)

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Old 09-25-2012, 06:19 AM   #69456
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I understand what your saying. I bought and shipped a used DL650 to Costa Rica and rode it for two years. Then sold it for $3000 more than my purchase price and that was a very good deal for the buyer. Importation duties in many countries really add value. With shipping cost and taxes it only cost me $1000 to have it there for the two years.

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Hi Refokus,

Perhaps I'm being optimistic. However, I'm pricing the bike taking into consideration the modifications and the market price of a similar bike in Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil, the three countries to which I'm closest at the moment. In Paraguay a new DR650 runs about US$9,000, in Argentina about $10,000 and in Brazil probably $13,000. So even a one year old bike with 24,000 miles is within reason. On MercardoLibre, the ebay of Latin America, there are a few 1999 DR650s with between 40-60,000km selling for US$4-5,000. In all of these countries it is hard to find or import quality modifications. The import duties often double the price of the item. While this bike does have 24,000 miles, it has been maintained tightly. And it is running perfectly.

Thanks for the feedback. If I am unable to sell her, I'll just bring her home with me.

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Old 09-25-2012, 06:35 AM   #69457
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do a pinesol clean on the carb. way back when, i thought my carb was clean until i did and was amazed how much dirt came out. http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=560117

i now also run a small pour of Lucas fuel treatment through all my full tanks of gas. after another year and 1/2 i pulled my carb to look at it clean everywhere. did a precautionary pinsol clean and i had only tiny amount of dirt. it's oil based (not a distillate) so it's not harsh. my bike is happier when i use it. goes in everything i have with a motor. http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...catid=2&iid=26
No Pine Sol down here in Oz
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:03 AM   #69458
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Not the rectifier but quite possible the source coil. The source coil is wound onto the stator over the top of the charging coils. The heat generated by the charging coils could be causing the stator to expand enough to break a connection in the source coil. A new stator is the only practical fix for this.

If the spark does not fail with the 3 yellow wires disconnected I think you have isolated the problem. If you had to, you could ride it a long way with those wires disconnected as long as you also disconnect the headlight and taillight to avoid draining the battery.

Test the resistance of the source coil while the spark is failing.
Thanks for the good info, Jeff. Sounds like it's the stator then.

Question on riding with generator disconnected: how can I ride for long when the battery would not be getting charged from the generator? I figure I can go about two hours before battery totally discharges, right?

I'm in a situation now that I have to get to a major city to take care of something soon (exams for a distance masters), so I'm bussing it back to Nairobi and will get a stator and charging coil shipped in. My mechanic friend there has contacts in the postal department so that I dont have to pay much customs duty

Well, now, I'm not getting the spark to fail. Bike is running for about 10 minutes with no problems, this is with replacement CDI and spare rectifier and 1 new spark plug. But I did check power source coil resistance after running and it comes to 0.6 ohms, pick-up coil comes to 245 ohms. Is the 'pick-up' coil the charging coil, the one that's wound on the engine case?

I removed the left engine case cover with the charging coils in it and will be taking it back with me to Nairobi. Does it look alright? Does it have to be changed?


Jeff, to replace the stator, I need to get these 6 allen bolts out, right? Anything else? Those bolts are going to be really tough, right? How do you suggest I remove them without air tools?


And... who has a good stator and charging coil available??
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:49 AM   #69459
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No Pine Sol down here in Oz
Do you guys have carb cleaner? I buy it in the 5 gallon cans so I can dip Holleys, alumn heads and other parts. Carb cleaner works WAY better then Pine Sol. I don't buy into the whole pine sol thing. If it takes all night to work..well then it doesn't work that well. I can dip a carb in 30 minutes and it is CLEAN and even any paint that was on it is gone.

Obviously you don't need 5 gallons of the stuff. But the DR carb is small. Buy 2-3 cans of Spray carb cleaner. Spray them into a coffee can or something similar that wont get ate away. Then dip your carb parts (nothing plastic or rubber!!!) into the carb dip for about an hour. Pull it out and wash it off with the water hose then air dry it with compressed air. Done.

you might even try to find it in gallon size. The stuff is great to have around for cleaning any kind of metal small parts. It will eat carbon and paint off in no time!

Edit: Don't buy the stuff that says "non-chloronated". If you spray it and it evaporates in 2 sec it is junk, get something diffrent. I buy the Zepresto Carb dip in the bulk. Wear gloves. Carb cleaner will eat your hands up! it also soaks into your finger nails and they will stink for days...ask me how I know...

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Old 09-25-2012, 09:52 AM   #69460
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Do you guys have carb cleaner? I buy it in the 5 gallon cans so I can dip Holleys, alumn heads and other parts. Carb cleaner works WAY better then Pine Sol. I don't buy into the whole pine sol thing. If it takes all night to work..well then it doesn't work that well. I can dip a carb in 30 minutes and it is CLEAN and even any paint that was on it is gone.

Obviously you don't need 5 gallons of the stuff. But the DR carb is small. Buy 2-3 cans of Spray carb cleaner. Spray them into a coffee can or something similar that wont get ate away. Then dip your carb parts (nothing plastic or rubber!!!) into the carb dip for about an hour. Pull it out and wash it off with the water hose then air dry it with compressed air. Done.

you might even try to find it in gallon size. The stuff is great to have around for cleaning any kind of metal small parts. It will eat carbon and paint off in no time!
Did you read through the linked thread? Looks like 90% are saying that it works better, and no need to worry about getting rubber in it.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:57 AM   #69461
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you might even try to find it in gallon size. The stuff is great to have around for cleaning any kind of metal small parts. It will eat carbon and paint off in no time!

Edit: Wear gloves. Carb cleaner will eat your hands up! it also soaks into your finger nails and they will stink for days...ask me how I know...

I've used the gallon can for years. +1 for using heavier rubber gloves (the medical gloves will disolve) when handling this stuff.


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Old 09-25-2012, 09:57 AM   #69462
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Thanks for the good info, Jeff. Sounds like it's the stator then.

Question on riding with generator disconnected: how can I ride for long when the battery would not be getting charged from the generator? I figure I can go about two hours before battery totally discharges, right?
It does sound like a stator problem albeit an unusual one. The proof will be in the actual fixing of it.

If you ride with your lights unplugged your battery will not be depleted. The source coil produces power for the spark energy. The battery is not required to keep it running except for a very small amount of DC current that is routed through the key switch to the CDI as a theft deterrent. You would want to do a minimum amount of stops and starts as running the starter motor will deplete the battery.

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Well, now, I'm not getting the spark to fail. Bike is running for about 10 minutes with no problems, this is with replacement CDI and spare rectifier and 1 new spark plug. But I did check power source coil resistance after running and it comes to 0.6 ohms, pick-up coil comes to 245 ohms. Is the 'pick-up' coil the charging coil, the one that's wound on the engine case?

Jeff, to replace the stator, I need to get these 6 allen bolts out, right? Anything else? Those bolts are going to be really tough, right? How do you suggest I remove them without air tools?
Those 6 allen bolts hold the starter clutch to the back of the flywheel. Don't remove them! The stator is the round thing in the case cover with all the copper wire windings.
You can't easily tell by looking at it but there are 3 charging coils wound onto the iron core and the source coil is wound on top of them. The pickup coil is a small separate coil off the the side of the stator.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:01 AM   #69463
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Did you read through the linked thread? Looks like 90% are saying that it works better, and no need to worry about getting rubber in it.
90% of people that don't have the right carb dip. Most home people are cheap and wont spend the money for the good stuff. Zepresto 5 gallons is $375. Go to any carb shop/engine shop...you wont find Pine Sol there.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:21 AM   #69464
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90% of people that don't have the right carb dip. Most home people are cheap and wont spend the money for the good stuff. Zepresto 5 gallons is $375. Go to any carb shop/engine shop...you wont find Pine Sol there.
That's because a shop would need something that works quickly. If something 1/30 the price works as long as you leave it overnight, I have the time to let it sit out overnight.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:27 AM   #69465
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That's because a shop would need something that works quickly. If something 1/30 the price works as long as you leave it overnight, I have the time to let it sit out overnight.
And I understand that. But, don't tell me it works better. That is why I said buy a gallon or 2-3 cans and make your own little dip. People say it works better because they try spraying a can on...it evaporates and quits cleaning in 2-3 minutes and when they look at it it is still dirty. You have to DIP the parts then wash them off.

I'm trying to help the guy out who says he can't get Pine Sol and everyone wants to argue about how great Pine Sol is? WTF? Then you all try to convice me how great it is...really? I do this for a living. I don't spend the money on the good stuff for shits and grins...I do it because it works.
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