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Old 11-12-2012, 11:54 AM   #70936
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You should post those numbers on MontessaVR's thread. Occasionally, he will update the complete list, which is now toward the end of the thread (was on the first page orginally).
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:28 PM   #70937
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I haven't visited this thread in a while, so the answer may be here already - is there a step by step on replacing the steering head bearings. I have an '08 that needs some TLC this winter and I'm better at following pictorials. Just placed an order with Procycle for some other bits as well. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:49 PM   #70938
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Have you seen the weight of the new Husqvarna Terra? 405 lbs.
Wet weight...405 lbs
Dry weight...364 lbs
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:56 PM   #70939
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I thought the front and back wheel off the pre-96's needed a lot of spacer work, rotor pattern work before they could be used on post 96's?
The 350 rear works but not the front.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:43 PM   #70940
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I haven't visited this thread in a while, so the answer may be here already - is there a step by step on replacing the steering head bearings. I have an '08 that needs some TLC this winter and I'm better at following pictorials. Just placed an order with Procycle for some other bits as well. Any help would be appreciated.
Try this:
http://www.garagenight.tv/ep-5-repla...head-bearings/
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:27 PM   #70941
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Progress!

As some of you may recall, I came to an excessively abrupt stop on my DR at the end of July, bending the fork in the process. Well, LukasM is shipping me the fork tubes from his old bike, I'm getting the cast off my wrist at the end of this month (hopefully) and I'll be crafting a few parts in the machine shop over the next bit. With any luck at all, I'll be back on two wheels by the time the weather improves here. I'm planning to take this opportunity to personalize this machine a bit, as I'm quite taken by the unique ones that show up here from time to time. Once things are underway, if anyone is interested, I may start a photo-thread to keep you up to date on my antics
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:52 PM   #70942
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This was posted a little while back: Those were weights that people actually reported that weighed them. The 690 R's weigh 13 lbs more then the older Enduro's

I do know that my DR feels like a tank compared to my 690, a big part of that is the 690 has the fuel tank under the seat which makes a huge difference in handling.

Make Model Curb weight in pounds (engine hp/torque)
Husqvarna TE630 318 (57/41)
KTM 690R 331 (65/49)
BMW G650X 346 (53/44)
Honda XR650L 346 (31/30)
Suzuki DR650 366 (37/34)
BMW G650GS 422 (48/44)
Kawasaki KLR650 432 (34/31)

Older DR's are 324 lbs.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:54 PM   #70943
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:08 PM   #70944
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This was posted a little while back: Those were weights that people actually reported that weighed them. The 690 R's weigh 13 lbs more then the older Enduro's

I do know that my DR feels like a tank compared to my 690, a big part of that is the 690 has the fuel tank under the seat which makes a huge difference in handling.

Make Model Curb weight in pounds (engine hp/torque)
Husqvarna TE630 318 (57/41)
KTM 690R 331 (65/49)
BMW G650X 346 (53/44)
Honda XR650L 346 (31/30)
Suzuki DR650 366 (37/34)
BMW G650GS 422 (48/44)
Kawasaki KLR650 432 (34/31)
The problem is some of those hp/tq numbers are the manufacturers claimed numbers at the crank, others are rwhp numbers off a dyno.....BIG difference
And different dyno's/operators, different bikes/tuning/tires/pressures/chain tensions etc etc, very different numbers

And like someone also mentioned, some of those are dry weights, and some wet weights....another HUGE difference. Numbers can be VERY deceptive and subjective.....

Some of those stats are pulled directly from the manufacturers info, some aren't......like I said VERY subjective lol.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:18 PM   #70945
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Older DR's are 324 lbs.
324 = Brochure weight
366 = Actual weight
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:23 PM   #70946
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Weight dry, without oil, gas, or battery = 324 lbs. Older publications and brochures always quoted "dry" weight; some included battery (rarely) and fork oil (50/50).

Weight wet, full tank, ready to ride = 366 lbs. Trend since the early 2000's is to quote "curb" weight, but some mfgs still only use 1/2 tank of fuel, or no fuel but battery and all other fluids.

Consistency is tough. MontessaVR's thread is the most consistent accumulation for DS, Enduro and some Trials bikes that I have found - and I've been accumulating the numbers for over 10 years. Even so, I continue to find errors and update my data.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:26 PM   #70947
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324 = Brochure weight
366 = Actual weight
Yep, most mfg went to wet weights to be more consistent.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:30 PM   #70948
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This was posted a little while back: Those were weights that people actually reported that weighed them. The 690 R's weigh 13 lbs more then the older Enduro's

I do know that my DR feels like a tank compared to my 690, a big part of that is the 690 has the fuel tank under the seat which makes a huge difference in handling.

Make Model Curb weight in pounds (engine hp/torque)
Husqvarna TE630 318 (57/41)
KTM 690R 331 (65/49)
BMW G650X 346 (53/44)
Honda XR650L 346 (31/30)
Suzuki DR650 366 (37/34)
BMW G650GS 422 (48/44)
Kawasaki KLR650 432 (34/31)
I rode a BMW X-Challenge and was shocked that it didn't seem to have much of a power advantage over my DR 650, both of them were stock and I ended up not buying the X-Challenge because it didn't seem that much better than the DR 650.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:34 PM   #70949
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Cool2 Weighing in on weight

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Older DR's are 324 lbs.
Actually model years for pre '96 DR's varied among themselves too.
Take a look at Zen Seeker's DR 650 History (scroll about half way down)
http://dr650.zenseeker.net/DR650History.htm
Keep in mind the weights are Suzuki DRY weight

So the New model '96 through present are a good bit lighter than the pre '96 bikes
Still, would be nice to lose a bunch more weight.
Under seat fuel tank, removable plastic subframe, better suspension quality...
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:39 PM   #70950
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Many of us have been asking for an updated DR650 for years. However, the air/oil cooled design is anvil reliable and I guess that's what Suzuki wants.

The pre-1996 DR650's are a different bike. The RS versions had Dakar 1/2 fairings that integrated smoothly into the gas tank. These were heavier. The standard versions had heavier weight components: swing arm, suspension, etc. and a different frame. The RS is really cool, but never came to the US and parts are now very hard to find.
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