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Old 11-16-2012, 09:31 AM   #71146
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Wish I lived in the Bay area because it sounds like there will be a used one on Craigslist soon and should go cheap since the owner hates it.

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I was thinking the same thing. Hell it might be worth buying his pos and shipping it to Texas.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:41 AM   #71147
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Question.

Is it ok for me to speek freely on this thread?

Please please please say yes.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:45 AM   #71148
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Indeed. It means that have not yet figured out that it would be best if they got away from the idea of using closed loop at all.Closed loop is completely unnecessary in order to have the proper fuel mixture at varying air densities and temperatures.

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It sounds like they've fixed a lot of the physical fitment issues with the kit but if they say this:

"Note: for DR650, we are still optimizing the close loop fuel. This motor does not like 14.7 AFR in many cases."

then it's not really PnP yet. For most users on this forum, switching between different tuning maps to find the one that works for you should be a very simple process. Getting the tuners to make those maps optimized for the engine is the part that will be out of most people's comfort zone. And if you aren't able to run in closed loop then you aren't getting the benefits that will allow you to run at various altitudes and temperatures in a way that maximizes mpg and power.

I work for a tiny company that makes hardware for reflashing car computers and we also write software for tuners working on Subaru and Mitsubishi, but we very carefully stay away from the tuning. Too much customer support at
that end of the equation :)
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Indeed. It means that have not yet figured out that it would be best if they got away from the idea of using closed loop at all.Closed loop is completely unnecessary in order to have the proper fuel mixture at varying air densities and temperatures.

Regards,

Derek
perhaps you guys did not read the contents of the email exchange i had w/ecotrons only a coupla days ago? where he said it's now wirtually plug-n-play? it's far more likely that the website has not been updated yet; and is something that can easily be confirmed, for those who might be interested. matt from ecotrons was wery responsive to my emails...

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Old 11-16-2012, 09:48 AM   #71149
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Question.

Is it ok for me to speak freely on this thread?

Please please please say yes.
ok - "yes". now, don't go breaking all the site rules....

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Old 11-16-2012, 09:52 AM   #71150
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Motorcycles are like women, to be enjoyed in quantity!
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I understand, I'm running low at the time.
running low? women or bikes?

and, quality is still important, imo, even when going for quantity.

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Old 11-16-2012, 10:17 AM   #71151
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DR650 breaks off drain plug @ 2:10 vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13cR80h-QNo&feature=plcp
What skidplate are (were) you running?
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:19 AM   #71152
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ok - "yes". now, don't go breaking all the site rules....

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Thanks Doug, I will try not to.

Johnkol,

You don't know the rules about digging holes. STOP DIGGING!
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:21 AM   #71153
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running low? women or bikes?

and, quality is still important, imo, even when going for quantity.

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Yes.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:22 AM   #71154
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Talking Time for a new bike johnkol

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I doubt it; I believe I can separate suspension deficiencies from frame problems.

In any case, I have other problems with the DR too, mainly weight, but also a general inability to connect with the bike: I can't pinpoint it, but for some reason I cannot change positions easily, cannot weigh the pegs, don't seem to get any feedback from the bike... In short, it feels like I'm seating on a giant jello, with no tactile sense of what the bike is doing. There are so many things wrong with this bike that I really don't feel like spending good money after bad chasing all its idiosyncrasies; I'd rather leave it as is and enjoy it for what it is: a cheap, reliable machine.
I sure got a laugh (again) from your trials and tribulations with your DR.

You are an interesting fellow that seems to be stuck with a true lemon.
Fortunately for the rest of us, lemon DR's seem to be very rare.

For background information I read all your posts here on ADV
http://www.advrider.com/forums/searc...20580727&pp=40

You sure have learned a lot since you bought your bike.
Going from not knowing what was wrong with it, to knowing it is frame flex.
And yet you still have stock suspension????

Several of us tried to assist you with your bike when you first posted of its failings.
I asked you to try riding other DR's and finding out if your bike has a unique problem.
(Could happen, internal cracked frame tube or twisted steering head, or?)
And several of us eventually posted that you should sell it since you would never be happy with it.

But you STILL have it!

That's what great about ADVrider, always good for some laughs.

Again I recommend you sell your bike since you will never be happy with it.
Although I do hope a buyer who has ridden DR's takes it for a test ride and tells you something like:
"Whoa! your frame must be bent! this thing is all screwed up!"

I also hope to read what bike you buy that you do like for a DS bike.
If it has the best qualities of the DR with few or none of its weaknesses, I want to buy one too
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:25 AM   #71155
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What skidplate are (were) you running?
In the youtube comments he says:

"that's a Ricochet skid plate from RockyMountain"

What a crappy thing to happen.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:37 AM   #71156
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Leaving tomorrow at daybreak to spend 9 days in and around Death Valley.
I'm jealous! I've spent time backpacking there in years past and when I got my DR this year it was one of the first places I thought of that I need to get back to with the DR.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:50 AM   #71157
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DR650 breaks off drain plug @ 2:10 vid:
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Was the bike lowered?
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:51 AM   #71158
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perhaps you guys did not read the contents of the email exchange i had w/ecotrons only a coupla days ago? where he said it's now wirtually plug-n-play? it's far more likely that the website has not been updated yet; and is something that can easily be confirmed, for those who might be interested. matt from ecotrons was wery responsive to my emails...

doug s.
I took note of that email exchange. At the very least, the owner of the company seems dedicated to helping out those who bought his product. If I decide to just upgrade the DR instead of adding another bike to my stable come tax season, I'm going to seriously give some thought to this.

I've seen some street riding DRs with this package. Has anyone taken it offroad yet to see how well it holds up to bumps, jumps, [warbles] and drops?
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:54 AM   #71159
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You need to look at the manual again!!!! Only adjustment at the bottom of the stock shock is a extra hole to lower the bike.

TravelGuy
I believe the dampening adjuster controls both compression and rebound dampening, to different degrees.

Perhaps johnkol is mistaken and doesn't have a DR650 after all.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:57 AM   #71160
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Carb problems?

Hello,
Starting about a month ago my DR began backfiring while cruising down the highway. This was happening between 50-60 mph. When it backfires the engine seems to stop and then bump start itself to life again. Now it is happening mostly from 60-70. The engine does not die if I pop the clutch and pull onto the shoulder but it does not have a any power for a second or two after the backfire and the bike decelerates rapidly. These backfires sometimes come in sets.

The bike is an 2002 with ~53,000 miles on it. K&N airfilter, stock air box/muffler. California model with extra hoses and junk. I do have an aftermarket milk crate on the back but I do not believe that is the source of the problem. I warm up the bike before riding. Air temps have been between 30-60 F with fog on some days. Damp weather seems to help.

Oh, and the clutch is slipping sometimes, so I changed the oil to 20W50 and leave a light bulb under the bike so it will start in the morning. Also oil leaks from front of engine at the head gasket and base plate. I have been working the Olive harvest and have not had time to do serious maintenance in a while.

I have cleaned the air filter, sprayed carb cleaner into the carb, run Gumout and Berrymans in the fuel. Tried different gas stations with different fuels. I also sprayed the carb cleaner on the outside of the boots while the bike was running to see if there was a leak. Doing all of these seemed to have a placebo like effect, bike runs good in the morning and bad on the trip home from work.

Anyone have any ideas? I did a search and the other posts did not seem to be the same issue.

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