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Old 01-19-2013, 06:36 PM   #73036
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Race Tech Emulators and Rear Shock Shaft Assy

FYI, suspension, gearing impressions.

Got my bike back this afternoon from a local suspension guru and nothing is spewing fork/shock oil! But, even better than that is the way the bike feels. It sure doesn't ride like a DR650 anymore, at least nothing like a stock one. I am shocked (notice the pun!) at the difference the emulators and shock shaft assembly have made. Granted, I've only put about 40 miles on it since I picked it up, but having the adjustable rebound is incredible. The bike is planted.

I may have gone a bit too stiff with the springs (.70 front and 8.1 rear), I'm still figuring it out. It's a relatively stiff ride, but the fact that it doesn't bounce around on wash board is phenom. I need to find a place that's significantly more rutted or wash boarded out because most of the stuff around here has a nice layer of new gravel over a frozen layer of dirt, but the dirt roads nearest my house are completely different to ride with the new suspension.

I just wanted to post this for those on the fence about upgrading the suspension. It probably doesn't matter what you do as an upgrade, it's probably all for the better, but if you go all out and get new springs and emulators and a rear shock with adjustability, I think you'll be surprised at how different your bike will feel and perform.

BTW, I also changed the front and rear sprockets (one down in the front, one up in the back). I guess it's got to be about an 8 or 9% change and it has made a pretty good difference, and definitely not too low for around town, commuting and gravel roads. I lost a little top-end, but I didn't use it anyway (over 5k miles and it's never been on an interstate).
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:45 PM   #73037
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Good to hear, Ace. Suspension mods went right to the top of my list for any bike after doing them on the DR. Like a different bike and as you said - planted - feel.

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Old 01-19-2013, 06:50 PM   #73038
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I wanted to have it a year before modifying (much) it so I didn't get caught up in buying stuff that I ended up not liking, and so far I'm really liking the new mods. I'm really surprised at how the new bars seemed to have eliminated the buzz too.

All that's left, in the short term are the new Barkbusters and bar ends.

It almost rides like a dirt bike in the dirt now
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:51 PM   #73039
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FYI, suspension, gearing impressions.

Got my bike back this afternoon from a local suspension guru and nothing is spewing fork/shock oil! But, even better than that is the way the bike feels. It sure doesn't ride like a DR650 anymore, at least nothing like a stock one. I am shocked (notice the pun!) at the difference the emulators and shock shaft assembly have made. Granted, I've only put about 40 miles on it since I picked it up, but having the adjustable rebound is incredible. The bike is planted.

I may have gone a bit too stiff with the springs (.70 front and 8.1 rear), I'm still figuring it out. It's a relatively stiff ride, but the fact that it doesn't bounce around on wash board is phenom. I need to find a place that's significantly more rutted or wash boarded out because most of the stuff around here has a nice layer of new gravel over a frozen layer of dirt, but the dirt roads nearest my house are completely different to ride with the new suspension.

I just wanted to post this for those on the fence about upgrading the suspension. It probably doesn't matter what you do as an upgrade, it's probably all for the better, but if you go all out and get new springs and emulators and a rear shock with adjustability, I think you'll be surprised at how different your bike will feel and perform.
Awesome!!!!

Question -- you mentioned adjustable rebound. Is this on the rear shock? If so, how'd you get that with the Shock Solution kit? I'm starting to seriously consider that instead of the Cogent route because of cost difference... $289 vs $600.

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Old 01-19-2013, 06:54 PM   #73040
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If you look at the item just above the shock solution kit you'll see the shock shaft assembly. It's basically the same thing as the Cogent. Although I'm not completely familiar with the Cogent, it was explained to me the Race Tech shock shaft assembly is better (I'm not saying it is, it was explained to me to be better).
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:56 PM   #73041
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FYI, suspension, gearing impressions.

Got my bike back this afternoon from a local suspension guru and nothing is spewing fork/shock oil! But, even better than that is the way the bike feels. It sure doesn't ride like a DR650 anymore, at least nothing like a stock one. I am shocked (notice the pun!) at the difference the emulators and shock shaft assembly have made. Granted, I've only put about 40 miles on it since I picked it up, but having the adjustable rebound is incredible. The bike is planted.

I may have gone a bit too stiff with the springs (.70 front and 8.1 rear), I'm still figuring it out. It's a relatively stiff ride, but the fact that it doesn't bounce around on wash board is phenom. I need to find a place that's significantly more rutted or wash boarded out because most of the stuff around here has a nice layer of new gravel over a frozen layer of dirt, but the dirt roads nearest my house are completely different to ride with the new suspension.

I just wanted to post this for those on the fence about upgrading the suspension. It probably doesn't matter what you do as an upgrade, it's probably all for the better, but if you go all out and get new springs and emulators and a rear shock with adjustability, I think you'll be surprised at how different your bike will feel and perform.

BTW, I also changed the front and rear sprockets (one down in the front, one up in the back). I guess it's got to be about an 8 or 9% change and it has made a pretty good difference, and definitely not too low for around town, commuting and gravel roads. I lost a little top-end, but I didn't use it anyway (over 5k miles and it's never been on an interstate).
Absolutely! Young or new people always want performance mods, and limit their definition of performance to speed and power because power numbers are easy to compare and brag about. But, real speed involves turns too, and a confidence inspiring suspension will add more performance to most bikes than engine mods ever will. Before adding that loud 1 additional horsepower $400 wide open can, absolutely work on the suspension!! Good, well-adjusted suspension will go a LONG way towards making you a better and happier rider. I haven't experienced a stock DR, but mine with up-rated springs front and rear, intiminators, and rebuilt shock is more stable and confidence inspiring than my sportbike.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:21 PM   #73042
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Awesome!!!!

Question -- you mentioned adjustable rebound. Is this on the rear shock? If so, how'd you get that with the Shock Solution kit? I'm starting to seriously consider that instead of the Cogent route because of cost difference... $289 vs $600.

Rob
The Shock solution kit for $289 is nothing like the Cogent rebuild. or the full shock shaft assembly from PC.
It is a great budget rebuild improvement but is not in the same league.
The Cogent rebuild kit is $295 if you can do it yourself (spring NOT included) and it gives you full adjustment.
Or for $399 you can have them rebuild yours for you (again, spring is extra)
Their optional Mil spec coating is not required and you don't get that with any other rebuild so don't add that $ to the Cogent cost.

So, the bottom line is that if you want the best, you want full adjustment, comp & rebound, and if you need a different spring, the Cogent costs under $500 and they do the work, or you can spend $498 for the Shock Shaft assembly and you do the work.
Kinda seems like an easy decision to me...
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:31 PM   #73043
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Old 01-20-2013, 01:28 AM   #73044
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workshop stands

I have only recently purchased my bike so I was wondering what maintenance stand would suit me best for general tinkering.

I picked this up from Supercheap for $149 and I think it works well









It made the chain adjustment and lube really straightforward. It was easy to spin the bike and move it around as needed.

I also took off my frame guards and cleaned up under there. It was filthy as and well worth the effort. I had also taken off and cleaned up my bash plate when I did the oil change - again well worth it. I have put a zip tie on my side stand switch and that saves some hassle - the side stand pivot has been cleaned and lubed, too.

I worked out what chain and sprockets the PO had installed. It turned out to be a 525 with 14F and 41R. I am thinking of going for a 42R and a 15F and 16F to cover the options. What do you think?

Anyone else got a different fave workshop stand?
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:27 AM   #73045
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I have only recently purchased my bike so I was wondering what maintenance stand would suit me best for general tinkering.

I picked this up from Supercheap for $149 and I think it works well

It made the chain adjustment and lube really straightforward. It was easy to spin the bike and move it around as needed.

I also took off my frame guards and cleaned up under there. It was filthy as and well worth the effort. I had also taken off and cleaned up my bash plate when I did the oil change - again well worth it. I have put a zip tie on my side stand switch and that saves some hassle - the side stand pivot has been cleaned and lubed, too.

I worked out what chain and sprockets the PO had installed. It turned out to be a 525 with 14F and 41R. I am thinking of going for a 42R and a 15F and 16F to cover the options. What do you think?

Anyone else got a different fave workshop stand?
Actually, I've got the exact same one and find it great. I saw it on special for $99 a few months back but nonetheless is still worth the $150. I can actually move the bike around whilst its jacked up, up have never had an issue of it toppling off. Great for turning the bike around!

Have fun.
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Old 01-20-2013, 03:08 AM   #73046
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I have only recently purchased my bike so I was wondering what maintenance stand would suit me best for general tinkering.

I picked this up from Supercheap for $149 and I think it works well









It made the chain adjustment and lube really straightforward. It was easy to spin the bike and move it around as needed.

I also took off my frame guards and cleaned up under there. It was filthy as and well worth the effort. I had also taken off and cleaned up my bash plate when I did the oil change - again well worth it. I have put a zip tie on my side stand switch and that saves some hassle - the side stand pivot has been cleaned and lubed, too.

I worked out what chain and sprockets the PO had installed. It turned out to be a 525 with 14F and 41R. I am thinking of going for a 42R and a 15F and 16F to cover the options. What do you think?

Anyone else got a different fave workshop stand?
That looks shit hot exile730, now all you need is a Safari tank, some Wolfman racks, Wolfman Saddle bags and you will be ready for the Canning Stock Route in July....

Cheers Richo.
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Old 01-20-2013, 03:36 AM   #73047
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Won't ship at all
That does suck.

Try mxsouth:

http://www.mxsouth.com/progrip/pro-g...rally-grip.htm


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Old 01-20-2013, 06:42 AM   #73048
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The Shock solution kit for $289 is nothing like the Cogent rebuild. or the full shock shaft assembly from PC.
It is a great budget rebuild improvement but is not in the same league.
The Cogent rebuild kit is $295 if you can do it yourself (spring NOT included) and it gives you full adjustment.
Or for $399 you can have them rebuild yours for you (again, spring is extra)
Their optional Mil spec coating is not required and you don't get that with any other rebuild so don't add that $ to the Cogent cost.

So, the bottom line is that if you want the best, you want full adjustment, comp & rebound, and if you need a different spring, the Cogent costs under $500 and they do the work, or you can spend $498 for the Shock Shaft assembly and you do the work.
Kinda seems like an easy decision to me...
I agree 100%. The adjustable rebound is worth the cost alone. Depending on your weight, you can still use the stock rear spring. Rick told me to stay with the stocker. He's not gonna try to sell you something you don't need.
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:56 AM   #73049
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I have been told the Race Tech unit has a larger diameter shaft than stock and therefore more bearing surface area. Other than that, I'm not sure how the Cogent differs from Race Tech.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:25 AM   #73050
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The Shock solution kit for $289 is nothing like the Cogent rebuild. or the full shock shaft assembly from PC.
It is a great budget rebuild improvement but is not in the same league.
The Cogent rebuild kit is $295 if you can do it yourself (spring NOT included) and it gives you full adjustment.
Or for $399 you can have them rebuild yours for you (again, spring is extra)
Their optional Mil spec coating is not required and you don't get that with any other rebuild so don't add that $ to the Cogent cost.

So, the bottom line is that if you want the best, you want full adjustment, comp & rebound, and if you need a different spring, the Cogent costs under $500 and they do the work, or you can spend $498 for the Shock Shaft assembly and you do the work.
Kinda seems like an easy decision to me...
The $498 includes a new spring. If you get the shaft assembly only from Racetech it's $399.99 minus %15 = $339.99

http://www.racetech.com/page/title/S...t%20Assemblies

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...76&postcount=1
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