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Old 02-15-2013, 04:00 PM   #73801
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Does that giant loop buck n roll just strap around the tank or to something else?
Looks like the side compartments would be a great way to carry a few water bottles
Yep straps around the tank. It is a nice capacity for sure.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:02 PM   #73802
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I have been looking around at DR thumpers and was wonder how long the chains and speaker last. I got 35k miles on the Vstrom but it is a twin. So for 80 to 90 percent road how much worse would it be? Also the Vstrom cush bumpers were in good shape. How do the DRs hold up? I found a little info searching but see what the latest opinions are.

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Speakers? That's what happens when you let the computer think for you.

I don't really know how long the chain and sprockets last if you do mostly road work. I get 5-6000 miles with a lot of offroad. My hub cushions were probably the originals when I bought the bike. They needed replacing at 10,000 miles and 10 years old.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:11 PM   #73803
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Adjusting the preload will not make the shock stiffer or softer, rather, preload is used to set the ride height (sag).

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Maybe I don't agree with this statement because you and I aren't talking the same lingo.

A spring has a set #/inch (or Kg/MM) also known as spring rate. So the smaller the set height (distance from top of the spring to bottom) the higher the pounds the spring is putting on everything. As you compress a spring through its range the pounds of pressure increase.

Just as an example- don't use these numbers because I am just pulling them out of my head:
A spring with a 6.5kg/mm going from a standard set height of 250 mm (Soft setting) to 238 mm (Hard Setting) is 12mm shorter set height. This equates to 78 kg more pressure the spring is producing- also known as stiffer.

While the rate kg/mm never gets stiffer (unless progressive wound) the pounds of force the spring produces is more. Someone who has more suspension knowledge then me might be able to explain it better.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:20 PM   #73804
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Speakers? That's what happens when you let the computer think for you.

I don't really know how long the chain and sprockets last if you do mostly road work. I get 5-6000 miles with a lot of offroad. My hub cushions were probably the originals when I bought the bike. They needed replacing at 10,000 miles and 10 years old.

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Old 02-15-2013, 04:21 PM   #73805
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I have been looking around at DR thumpers and was wonder how long the chains and speaker last. I got 35k miles on the Vstrom but it is a twin. So for 80 to 90 percent road how much worse would it be? Also the Vstrom cush bumpers were in good shape. How do the DRs hold up? I found a little info searching but see what the latest opinions are.

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I get about 15k from my chains and about the same perhaps a bit less from my sprockets. I ride both street and dirt. My Cush rubber is still OE on my 09 DR at 34k miles
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:08 PM   #73806
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I've got a Buck n Roll bag which I've used on my DR (with IMS tank) and also on my WR250. Great piece of gear. I use the middle pocket for a first aid kit, and the side pockets for tire levers, small bottle of chain lube, rags, air guage, JB Weld, and other crap. A small water bottle would fit in the side pockets, but not a big fat bottle (think 8-10 oz bottle).

On the DR, I just strapped it around the tank wings. With staps pulled tight, it won't go anywhere. I zip-tied the loose ends to keep them from getting in the way of the engine/exhaust. I don't think I have any photos that show it properly on my DR, but here it is on my WR.



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Does that giant loop buck n roll just strap around the tank or to something else?
Looks like the side compartments would be a great way to carry a few water bottles
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:09 PM   #73807
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I had the same issue yesterday!! I used a dremel and an impact driver. That didn't work so I used the dremel to cut all the way to the edge and used a chisel and heat. Replaced it with the warp 9 plug Procycle offers. I tightened it to 20 ft/lbs, and I'm sure that's over kill.



thanks Planemanx15 .
mine came out just as beat up & replaced with a sharp looking blue aluminum & a matching sight hole plug from ProCycle as well . I went with 15lbs seemed to be good and snug . I reused the oring as the replacement didn't have one . you'd think for that price it would have one ?



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Old 02-15-2013, 05:16 PM   #73808
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I may be a bit late to the tank pannier/bag conversation but here is the only thing I have found to work with my setup that doesn't hit my knees at all or hit me when I am standing.

Giant Loop Buck n' Roll
Thanks for posting that pic. I was riding my DR around today wondering exactly where a tank bag would fit when I'm riding forward so as to keep weight on the front while cornering. In other words - there is no room for tank bag.

Buck and Roll looks do-able.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:04 PM   #73809
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I get about 15k from my chains and about the same perhaps a bit less from my sprockets. I ride both street and dirt. My Cush rubber is still OE on my 09 DR at 34k miles
Good for the cushion rubber but I wonder if I could get over 20K miles out of a change. Do you measure chain length/stretch for wear or pull from rear sprocket? I measure length and just replace everything at one time.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:20 PM   #73810
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Good for the cushion rubber but I wonder if I could get over 20K miles out of a change. Do you measure chain length/stretch for wear or pull from rear sprocket? I measure length and just replace everything at one time.
Thousands of Chain/Sprocket posts here and lots about cush rubbers too.

General consensus seems to indicate:
Stock DID "O" ring chain typically goes 12K to 15K miles. (mine was shot at 12K miles) YMMV ....
BUT ... if you use a QUALITY X ring replacement chain you can do 25,000 miles .... IF ... you change front sprocket only every 8 to 10K. OEM sprockets work well for me. I'm on my 2nd DID VM-2 525 X-Ring chain. First one went to 25K.

I put 90K miles on my DL1000. Same chain also went 25K on that bike.

On the DR renewing the (inexpensive) OEM front sprocket really makes a difference in chain life. A cheap chain will not last no matter what ..especially if you do mud, sand a lot.

Cush Rubbers seem to last 15K to 20K miles. You can really notice a different "feel" after installing new ones (I did mine at 20K and they were past due). Nice smooth running after that.

I USE every and all techniques for determining chain wear. But pulling slack off the rear sprocket at the 3'Oclock position is fairly accurate, IMHO.
Also, once a chain needs adjustment more than every 5000 miles ... it may be on the way out. The VM-2 on my DR was adjusted ONCE in 25K miles ...
it could have gone easily to 30K.

Doing everything NEW all at once is very wise. But DO replace those front sprockets to extend your chain life. Cheap insurance. Maintain the chain clean and lubed ... it will go a Long time.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:50 PM   #73811
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My DR original chain has 13,000 miles plus on it and doing very well. My DL1000 chain lasted over 30,000 miles and was still good when I replaced it for a 10,000 trip.

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I have been looking around at DR thumpers and was wonder how long the chains and sprockets last. I got 35k miles on the Vstrom but it is a twin. So for 80 to 90 percent road how much worse would it be? Also the Vstrom cush bumpers were in good shape. How do the DRs hold up? I found a little info searching but see what the latest opinions are.

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Old 02-15-2013, 08:50 PM   #73812
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I had the same issue yesterday!! I used a dremel and an impact driver. That didn't work so I used the dremel to cut all the way to the edge and used a chisel and heat. Replaced it with the warp 9 plug Procycle offers. I tightened it to 20 ft/lbs, and I'm sure that's over kill.

Been there, broke that.....

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Old 02-15-2013, 08:58 PM   #73813
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Wolfman tank bag on the rear.

I run a Wolfman tank bag ( the smaller non-expandable one) on the back fender for my daily tail bag.(not by choice, it was a freebie and is a very nice bag but I probably would have gone for the expandable one.) I also use a medical fanny pack for a tank bag. Sorry it is hard to see in the picks but its nothing special. I got it free somewhere. The reason I run this set up is that the Wolfman is to tall when I put it on the tank and does not allow me to get forward enough when going steep uphill. The large fanny pack is shaped somewhat similar to the buck'n roll bag pictured recently. It is low and doesn't get get in my way so works well for me there and the Wolfman fits nicely on the rear. I hooked the buckles full time to the grab handles and loop the other strap under the tail so it comes off with two clips, easy, I use for my lunch pail when I ride to work. For reference I am actually kind of on the tall side with a 34" inseam so for shorter folks I think the Wolfman bag would be even more in the way.


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Old 02-15-2013, 09:35 PM   #73814
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Why so many people stress about the crankshaft access cover?

I changed my piston without accessing the crank - just shift the case into gear and rotate the rear wheel. It worked far better than destroying stuff.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:17 PM   #73815
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[QUOTE=TinkerinWstuff;20736606]Why so many people stress about the crankshaft access cover?


I guess I don't like no for an answer . OCD sometimes , lazy as sh!t other times ....... lol




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