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Old 03-04-2013, 04:52 PM   #74296
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If you could get along with a good 50/50 rear tire like a Mefo, Mitas or Heidennau ... you'd be better off. The front is what count off road.

My solution would be to run a TKC 80 up front ... and one of the three German tires above out back. Should last fairly well ... maybe 6K to 8K for the rear tire? about same for front TKC.
I agree. The german tires are more expensive but they will go an honest 6-8K miles.

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Old 03-04-2013, 05:01 PM   #74297
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Hey, I was going to get around to posting that here. I am having some issues with it and am running out of ideas. I'll be back soon.
Sorry for stealing you thunder. Just glad you can still type. (if you know what I mean)
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:20 PM   #74298
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Anyone here spoke their own front 17 or 19" front wheel?

Years ago, I had a 17" rim from a Suz SP600 that I sold for $30.

Now I still have the 21" front rim from the SP and a cracked stock 21" front on my DR. Thinkin about how to best end up with a 19 and a 21. Buy a stock front wheel and run it as is and lace up a 19 rim seems about easiest. Where do you guys source spokes??
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:24 PM   #74299
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Thanks guys, for the info.

Grifter - I've mountain biked and hiked quite a bit in the area. I love it.

With the knobbies - any of them you would want to ride a 400 mile asphalt round trip on? lot's of off-roading out my front door but I have a 180 mile ride "to town" & such. No way I would want to change tires every weekend. Plus, I'll want to be off-road in those places too.
I get at least 6K miles out of a rear Kenda K761 on my DR, but they are not a knobby. I use a grooving iron to make them more aggressive for the dirt, yet they still work and last well on the pavement. A lot of my riding is 45-75MPH 2up commuting too, and I don't run them bald. Both of my old K761s could be thrown back on for more pavement miles. I'm guessing they have at least another 1K pavement miles left in each.

I'm currently trying a Kenda K270 rear semi-knob. It seems to hook up at least as well in sand/dirt/mud/grass as my grooved K761s, if not better, and several people have reported getting over 10K miles out of a K270 rear. Even new, I've had no pavement issues with this rear squirming, sliding out, or anything else spooky, but I did "scuff" it in on a sand road within the first few miles. After putting a few hundred miles on it this past weekend, I wouldn't hesitate to slab a K270 across the country. If it lasts as well as my K761s, I'll be happy with it...a cheap, long-lasting, predictable, grippy, dirt-capable, rear semi-knob.

Both of these rear Kendas typically run me about $60-$75, so they're not very expensive, and spooning them on or breaking their beads hasn't required an unusually herculean effort.

For the front, neither the K761 nor the K270 is as highly praised as their rear counterparts. The K761 front is said to often wear unevenly, and the K270 front is said to not be very stable while leaned over on pavement. Many have complained of squirm with the front K270. I run a similar $30 Shinko 244 up front, but the side knobs are bolstered better than on the K270. It grips pavement pretty well for me, and does OK offroad, but it is neither an SM tire nor a full-on knobby. I often swap it out for a full-on knobby if I'm doing a lot of dirt. The 244 tours very well for a tire that runs dirt better than the stock Trailwing.

The 80/100 AMS Sand Snake MX knobby I use is not nearly as pavement-friendly as the 244, but I get it for around $22, and it carves through sand like a pizza cutter. It even lasts a few K miles on the pavement. Straight slab is OK, but it doesn't like being leaned way over on pavement at speed. I may start trying some inexpensive Shinko front knobs next, or pony up for a Pirelli MT21 or XCMH, as these latter two seem pretty popular front knobs for being under $100/ea. Both the Shinko 244 and the AMS Sand Snake 21"ers spoon on and break their beads pretty darn easily. I barely need tools.

From what I keep hearing, the XCMH actually lasts a while on pavement, and doesn't handle curves as bad as one would think. The MT21 wears a bit quicker, but it handles nicely on pavement and can be reversed to get more mileage out of it. The MT21s I rode on felt more stable on hardball turns than my AMS knobby does anyway.

BTW, experiment quite a bit with pressures when trying a new tire. It can REALLY change the longevity, feel, and performance of some tires. Even my sand knobby doesn't feel good in sand if I put 30psi in it.

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Old 03-04-2013, 06:40 PM   #74300
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I have MT 21's front and rear now. I'm hoping that the front will work offroad as well as the Bridgestone ED-03 that I have been using for years (not the same one) the MT21 front isn't as aggressive as the Bridgestone. I have the XCHM front on my KTM and like the way is holds on pavement, but the bike is nearly 80lbs lighter. As to the rear MT21, I hope it will be somewhere in the neighborhood as my Kenda TrakMaster II. I inherited the brand new set of MT's. so I have to run them. I also have a set of Karoos waiting in the wings. 18" and 21" that I have the 18 mounted on my spare wheel and will try the 21 in the future.
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:57 PM   #74301
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Never-ever do this with a DR650!!!!

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=867625
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:09 PM   #74302
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Sorry Shu, my mistake, and I know better. Now, I think I will go back and read you Ride Report again.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:21 PM   #74303
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Sorry Shu, my mistake, and I know better. Now, I think I will go back and read you Ride Report again.
Ynot: it wasn't you, SoPaRider goofed. Us 'ole' guys gotta stick together.

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YnotJP? or anyone else provide a link to Stu's Ride Report?

Thanks

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Old 03-04-2013, 08:42 PM   #74304
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Is that OTD? I paid $6,400 w tax/license/fees in CA, for my brand new 2012 with 0% financing.
Just that alone made the purchase acceptable to SWMBO....

No, that's the MSRP price. Tax, license and freight and set up will add several hundred more.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:11 PM   #74305
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Sorry Shu, my mistake, and I know better. Now, I think I will go back and read you Ride Report again.
No problem, YnotJP. Good to hear from you.

I'm planning on posting a pic or two here pretty soon. As soon as the ice melts out of the little canyon road I live on I'm heading south for Mexico on the DR.
Hopefully that will be Wed. morning.

Planning to be gone for a month.

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:09 PM   #74306
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I agree. The german tires are more expensive but they will go an honest 6-8K miles.

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they will but at $150 ea.
these days the $50 tire will run 3-4K.

when the german tires where priced at $100 it worked because 2x the price and 2x the mileage.

if you need 6-8K in a single tour run then yes they are priceless. if you are back home to change with in 3-4K and you don't mind the change then shinko 242, IRCs etc. make more sense.

one sleeper and little talked about $90 high-mileage tire is this one:
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Rear-Tire.aspx
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:12 PM   #74307
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Sorry for the spelling error shu.

I'll be adding "The Rocking Chair Tour" to my stack of required reading.

This past June I became the third owner of a nearly new white '09 DR650SE with a mere 1,850 miles on it, it now has a whopping 2,408 miles on it and I'm in the early stages of prepping the bike for a tour of North America. Like you I'm in the process of reading this entire thread, as well as any other info I can find on the 650. I'm planning on doing a similar build to yours, with the less is best philosophy. Stand-by for a slew of questions.

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:20 PM   #74308
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I get at least 6K miles out of a rear Kenda K761 on my DR, but they are not a knobby. I use a grooving iron to make them more aggressive for the dirt, yet they still work and last well on the pavement. A lot of my riding is 45-75MPH 2up commuting too, and I don't run them bald. Both of my old K761s could be thrown back on for more pavement miles. I'm guessing they have at least another 1K pavement miles left in each.

I'm currently trying a Kenda K270 rear semi-knob. It seems to hook up at least as well in sand/dirt/mud/grass as my grooved K761s, if not better, and several people have reported getting over 10K miles out of a K270 rear. Even new, I've had no pavement issues with this rear squirming, sliding out, or anything else spooky, but I did "scuff" it in on a sand road within the first few miles. After putting a few hundred miles on it this past weekend, I wouldn't hesitate to slab a K270 across the country. If it lasts as well as my K761s, I'll be happy with it...a cheap, long-lasting, predictable, grippy, dirt-capable, rear semi-knob.

Both of these rear Kendas typically run me about $60-$75, so they're not very expensive, and spooning them on or breaking their beads hasn't required an unusually herculean effort.

For the front, neither the K761 nor the K270 is as highly praised as their rear counterparts. The K761 front is said to often wear unevenly, and the K270 front is said to not be very stable while leaned over on pavement. Many have complained of squirm with the front K270. I run a similar $30 Shinko 244 up front, but the side knobs are bolstered better than on the K270. It grips pavement pretty well for me, and does OK offroad, but it is neither an SM tire nor a full-on knobby. I often swap it out for a full-on knobby if I'm doing a lot of dirt. The 244 tours very well for a tire that runs dirt better than the stock Trailwing.

The 80/100 AMS Sand Snake MX knobby I use is not nearly as pavement-friendly as the 244, but I get it for around $22, and it carves through sand like a pizza cutter. It even lasts a few K miles on the pavement. Straight slab is OK, but it doesn't like being leaned way over on pavement at speed. I may start trying some inexpensive Shinko front knobs next, or pony up for a Pirelli MT21 or XCMH, as these latter two seem pretty popular front knobs for being under $100/ea. Both the Shinko 244 and the AMS Sand Snake 21"ers spoon on and break their beads pretty darn easily. I barely need tools.

From what I keep hearing, the XCMH actually lasts a while on pavement, and doesn't handle curves as bad as one would think. The MT21 wears a bit quicker, but it handles nicely on pavement and can be reversed to get more mileage out of it. The MT21s I rode on felt more stable on hardball turns than my AMS knobby does anyway.

BTW, experiment quite a bit with pressures when trying a new tire. It can REALLY change the longevity, feel, and performance of some tires. Even my sand knobby doesn't feel good in sand if I put 30psi in it.
Hey Kommando. Enlighten me on the 30 PSI figure. When I checked my DR650 w/knobbies tire pressure today both had 20 PSI so I bumped them up to 30 and promptly busted my butt not once, not twice but three times in deep sand. Wasn't going fast at all (or my 61 yr old self would have broke something). Seems like front tire wanted to do one thing then rear another and I'm wadded up going OOOOOOFFF!. Any hints other than sell the bike?
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:27 PM   #74309
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Hey Kommando. Enlighten me on the 30 PSI figure. When I checked my DR650 w/knobbies tire pressure today both had 20 PSI so I bumped them up to 30 and promptly busted my butt not once, not twice but three times in deep sand. Wasn't going fast at all (or my 61 yr old self would have broke something). Seems like front tire wanted to do one thing then rear another and I'm wadded up going OOOOOOFFF!. Any hints other than sell the bike?
Why did you bump your pressures up to 30? I think his comment was a tongue in cheek comment meaning even a good off road tire handles like crap with too much air in it.

20 psi is even a little high for me when I'm doing serious off road. I tend to ride closer to 17-18psi or sometimes less, but 20 is pretty safe. 30 is way too much off road and as you found makes things way worse. I even think the max pressure on some knobbies is under 30psi, so pay attention to that too.
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