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Old 03-07-2013, 11:25 AM   #74401
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I'll ask here before making a totally different thread on it.

I've seen YouTube videos taunting me with excellent dashboards made by owners for DR650's, yet they are always like "here's John's bike! Look at that dash!" ... but no one gets into the metal working aspect of it
Sounds like a good topic for a NEW DR650 Custom Dash Build Thread!
Go For It! I've seen some real beauties out there ... but would be nice to see them all in one place. Maybe add topic to DR index thread?
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:33 AM   #74402
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I'm considering getting a new 2013 DR650 for me and my wife.
I'm 110kg, she's about 55kg. How will the bike do? Will it handle the weight fine or will we kill it?
Tweak the suspension and no problems at all.
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:36 AM   #74403
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Hi evry1, can someone tell me how the DR650 does with a passenger riding with? Comfort? Power? Is it a nice bike for 2?
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It depends on your size and preferences. I'm 5'8"/200lb/30" inseam and my GF is 5'4"/petite/30" inseam. We 2up a lot on the DR, even with luggage. Beef the springs for the payload.

I cut about 1" out of the rider peg brackets, so they're a bit lower. I added lowering brackets with 2 positions for the passenger pegs, so they're stock, 2" lower, or 4" lower. I also have Happy Trails touring pegs bolted to my skid. The best mods for 2up comfort for us though have been moving the Givi plate/topcase 3" further rearward and changing the seat to Seat Concepts foam.

Power is not an issue for me. My DR has a jetted BST40 carb, UNI filter, and stock exhaust at sea level. With 14/42, 15/42, 16/42, or 16/46 sprockets, it will still accelerate both of us and our luggage uphill from 80MPH (indicated) in top gear. Most stock cages under $six figures won't keep up with it to 60MPH, unless I'm babying it to keep the front end down in 1st.

It's no big touring bike, but if you're our size or smaller the DR can work. I'm more used to smaller ergos like on my old KZ440 and my YX600 anyway, but I've also spent quite a bit of time on a bigger GL1200 and a GS850G. The DR is more comfy now on the slab than my YX600 is. It cheats wind better, and I have the touring pegs to stretch out on. Phreaky Phil made a few other ergonomic adjustments to his DR and used it to do the TAT 2up with luggage, and he's taller than I am. There are a few others who rode from the US to Tierra del Fuego 2up on a DR too.

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Old 03-07-2013, 12:02 PM   #74404
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I agree!
So stiff I took it off and went back to my PC jetted stock carb. What a relief on my forearm and little noticeable difference in performance.
To me anyway


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any of you try one of these?






http://www.cyclegear.com/eng/product...rol/web1001431

I put one on for my Blue Ridge Parkway ride and have not wanted to take it off.

It slips on over the grip and you position it so the heel of your palm presses it down. That way you can relax your grip and still keep the throttle open. I don't even notice it while riding tough offroad stuff. Got it on sale for half that price. a bargain if you ask me.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:06 PM   #74405
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My DR is at 44,118 miles, not those wimpy kilometer thingies.
Jus checkin' to see if the Aussie and Kiwi riders are keepin' up.


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It will be interesting to see what you can come up with. For me fuel gauges have only served as a rough guide ...
I just bought an Acerbis 5.3, natural color so I could see the fuel level.
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I find actual mileage readings more accurate.

I've run my bike dry a few times ... and always ZERO odometer at fill up.
I've also run my reserve dry, so I know what my range is and know range of reserve as well.

Of course, you have to factor in conditions, head wind, load and road speed. I usually allow a bit of lee way and cushion. The 5 US gal. IMS generally gives 200 to 215 miles before running out. On reserve I can go another 25 to 30 miles. YMMV (after that you have to lay the bike on its side to get that last 2 liters that's hiding in there!
With my conservative solo riding, I get to 160 (+/- 5) before I hit reserve (alt 6000 and up). Since I'm riding locally, I don't think about gas until I hit reserve (low traffic situations so the stumbling when switching the petcock doesn't get me hit). Although I've ridden 39 miles on reserve, I put in 3.4 gallons when I did, it was empty. My point is: once I hit reserve, I have 35 miles to find a station.

fwiw: Although I get 60 mpg here at altitude, my mileage dropped to 48 mpg on my recent Kalif riding, no carb changes (snorkle out, + another 2" hole). (It's winter, the bike rode to Kalif in the truck. )
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:14 PM   #74406
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. In fact, I almost find it TOO light. Often times, going slow, I will relax my hand and the throttle doesn't actually close all the way, and I have to make a point of closing it.

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JUST the way I like it.

I ride roads often enough that when I need to stretch, wave, signal, point, pull something out of a pocket, etc... I do NOT want my throttle snapping back at speed.

I had a ZX-7R years ago with a slightly sticky throttle (it's always in the cables / routing), and have come to prefer a throttle that stays where I put it.

Now if I ever own a true dirt bike, yeah, I want the throttle to snap back on its own. But for commuting... I love light springs or just not fighting a throttle.
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Old 03-07-2013, 12:18 PM   #74407
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any of you try one of these?


I built a smaller version into my rope-wrapped grips.
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:09 PM   #74408
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any of you try one of these?
http://www.cyclegear.com/eng/product...rol/web1001431

It slips on over the grip and you position it so the heel of your palm presses it down. That way you can relax your grip and still keep the throttle open. I don't even notice it while riding tough offroad stuff. Got it on sale for half that price. a bargain if you ask me.
I first tried the Cramp Buster ... and similar devices 25 years ago. On a long, straight, boring stretch of endless pavement they are fine ... but very distracting in a any sort of riding where you are working the bike and throttle. Constantly gets in the way ... almost dangerous ... IMO.

But the MAIN THING IS ... the Cramp Buster does not solve the problem of a TOO STIFF return spring and still requires more force than it should. You can't do fine motor control on the throttle using the Buster. The palm of your hand is not good for accurate throttle control. Fine for steady state droning ... but nothing more, IMO.

The FCR Keihin Carb is much better. Light and easy ... and that is probably why most major dirt bike OEM's used the FCR over the TM. (now most are F.I.)
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:18 PM   #74409
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I first tried the Cramp Buster ... and similar devices 25 years ago. On a long, straight, boring stretch of endless pavement they are fine ... but very distracting in a any sort of riding where you are working the bike and throttle. Constantly gets in the way ... almost dangerous ... IMO.

But the MAIN THING IS ... the Cramp Buster does not solve the problem of a TOO STIFF return spring and still requires more force than it should. You can't do fine motor control on the throttle using the Buster. The palm of your hand is not good for accurate throttle control. Fine for steady state droning ... but nothing more, IMO.
Maybe I'm the exception here. I use the extra-wide CrampBuster on all three bikes. Having come from ATVs and snowmobiles, both of which used thumb throttles, I had a lot of trouble adapting to the motorcycle twist-throttle. I found my right hand very quickly becoming numb.

So, somebody suggested the CrampBuster. The one I got was the wide one, since it's all they had. I put it on and set it up the "intended" way, to be used by the palm. Wow, that doesn't work for me at all. So I repositioned it. I moved it all the way to the left of the grip, and rotated it downward to about 45 degrees from level.

What I do now is I use my thumb on the CrampBuster, effectively making it a thumb throttle. The result is I dont have to squeeze the grip so much. I keep a very relaxed grip and can modulate the throttle very well, even in slow, technical situations. It's taken some time to develop the muscle memory and fine control, but it works very well for me.

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Old 03-07-2013, 01:22 PM   #74410
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Agree the Throttlemiester while riding offroad can launch you into the weeds !
My buddy uses one on his DR offroad and I don't know how he does it !


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Old 03-07-2013, 01:25 PM   #74411
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What I like about it is it's adjustable to any position. Even completely out of the way. No modifications, so it comes right off at any time or goes right back on. And it cost nearly zero.
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:54 PM   #74412
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I doubt many get more than 50 MPG with a TM40. (sorry, not sure of the kms per liter conversion) I think perhaps you never had your BST Carb set up correctly. With proper breathing and jetting the BST allows very good power and still delivers good MPG.

True about the mid range gap ... the TM40 is better there. My main complaint with the TM40 is the very stiff throttle action. Very tiring on a long day ... especially riding off road. I hate stiff throttles.
Yep, my BST settings were quite rich when it was last time in bike. With 45 idle and 145 main jets, CO% in idle speed 1500rpm measured was 3,5-4%...snorkel tooked off. But still not very good cold starter when 0 celcius or less, now today example is -10 degrees celsius and started very easily without any extrahelps.


Stock back up spring is very heavy in TM, but theres 3 points turningcam where it can set. Most lightest point with electric heated grips work for me. Heated KOSO made grips are very chunky, thats why its lighter turn gas too...

But thinner would be better otherwise, especially when drive standing easier keep on properly. In RM 250 i have most thinnest Renthal grips.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:07 PM   #74413
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I first tried the Cramp Buster ... and similar devices 25 years ago. On a long, straight, boring stretch of endless pavement they are fine ... but very distracting in a any sort of riding where you are working the bike and throttle. Constantly gets in the way ... almost dangerous ... IMO.
Agree. I owned one for about an hour. It was fine when just cruising along on the highway but as soon as I hit the tight twisties, I kept bumping it (and adding throttle!) whenever I reached for the front brake. I threw the damn thing in the ditch before it killed me.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:47 PM   #74414
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My buddy uses one on his DR offroad and I don't know how he does it !
Simple...he's a better rider than you Frankie.










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Old 03-07-2013, 02:51 PM   #74415
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I have been using THROTTLE ROCKER (not sure if still in production, bought 6 the last time I saw a ad for them, on all my bikes for the past 15 (well over 200K miles) or so years on all my bikes except my KTM 200 EXC single track bike and GSXR 600 trackday bike.

As far as anything other than single track I have never had any problems with throttle action. On sand roads/dirt or gravel roads no problems at all. Many of my riding days are 12 to 16 hours long and I really enjoy the ease of arm strain. One has been installed on my DR650 since the first day .

But will ad that one of my favorite riding buddies hate them.

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