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Old 03-09-2013, 07:21 AM   #74521
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I bought a few of these Trail Stands from an inmate in the Vendor forums. They are very compact and at less than $30, a bargain.

They work really well for removing wheels, or lubing the chain, which is what I'm doing in the picture.

I see Keintech also has a "simple stand", works on the front or back. I think it's ~$30 or so.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:08 AM   #74522
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Did any of you guys weld new supports / gussets for your Dr650? I hear if oyu load up a bit of gear and go on long trips the frame (near the luggage area) is prone to cracking?
A bit of gear should be no issue. Reports of DR frame cracking are very rare from what I've seen. The 1st gen KLR650's had the bad reputation for this problem, iirc. It you're really, really going to be heavily loaded for long distances on hammeringly rough roads, you might find some inspiration here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712386
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:16 AM   #74523
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True ... and many other Kenda tires have proved to be long wearing ...
look at the K270. Its famous. Not sure what they did wrong on the BIG BLOCK ... but it's for sure a bust for them. No Worries ... they'll be back with something better.
Simple.

The K270 has incredibly tall lugs (so tall in fact that it detracts from paved road performance and squishes all around when cornering...but hey it's cheap ie. a KLR tire). There is just alot of rear tire rubber height to wear down before they wear out. The rubber is not that great of a compound but there is alot of it.

The the knobby height of the Big Block is very short compared to. I think Kenda just decided let's make a shorter knobby version for bigger bikes that will not be so squirmy on the pavement. Then they forget to engineer some better rubber compounds to deal with less rubber being available before wear out point. They did it on the cheap and it shows.

Before the Shinko 705, Maxxis had the Pressa tire. It looked to be middle ground between the TKC & the Tourance. Maxxis also used crap rubber and they wore out fast. Maxxis dropped the tire and have not heard from in the ADV tire market since.

My point? Once you start building tires for the ADV market you're now in the big boy game with Michelin, Metzler, Conti, Heidenau and even Shinko. You better bring your A game with unique tread design and rubber compounds. Kenda brought their C game.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:28 AM   #74524
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so, as a compromise tire, which gives the the better offroad grip,
Shinko 244 or Kenda 270?

Looking for something that will last longer than a full knobby, but retain as much grip in dirty situations as possible.

Since I have an 18" wheel avail, I'm even thinking about Pirelli MT43.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:29 AM   #74525
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Double-true.

I got twice the mileage out of Kenda's K761 compared to the stock TW42.
Kenda has gotten some good mileage out of the K761 rear because they designed in a center rear bar (like Heidenau does with 140 & 150 K60) that provide long life right down the middle.

You can see it here on the left tire pic.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwBg&dur=516.

The Big Block was all knobs and shorter ones at that.
To fix their fast wear problems they'll either need better rubber (but I doubt if they have the technology as were talking Chinese cheap here) or just add a center rubber wear strip (the cheap fix).


If you start studying a K761 and a Heidenau K60 you see they are using the same general tread design idea.
The K761 would make a good rear tire for a mullet combo, but I'd still put $ on this one if you need to go the distance on a long tour:
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Rear-Tire.aspx
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:31 AM   #74526
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I like the DR because its aircooled and no doohickey to fix unlike the KLR. I like the KLR because it is big and roomy with a 6 gallon gas tank. Has anyone ever put a DR motor in a KLR frame? Best of both worlds me thinks and it would lighten the KLR too.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:39 AM   #74527
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so, as a compromise tire, which gives the the better offroad grip,
Shinko 244 or Kenda 270?

Looking for something that will last longer than a full knobby, but retain as much grip in dirty situations as possible.

Since I have an 18" wheel avail, I'm even thinking about Pirelli MT43.
i've heard the K270 is a little better rear in that aspect.
the lugs are slightly wider and the rubber compound is slightly softer thus grippier.

there is also the IRC GP-1
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Rear-Tire.aspx
Shinko gets all the attention because of the good price and decent tire but IRC (japanese build) is a better tire...at $128 it's a hard sell however and most choose Kenda or Shinko instead.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:40 AM   #74528
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I like the DR because its aircooled and no doohickey to fix unlike the KLR. I like the KLR because it is big and roomy with a 6 gallon gas tank. Has anyone ever put a DR motor in a KLR frame? Best of both worlds me thinks and it would lighten the KLR too.
yust take a dr650 & put on a bigger tank, better seat, and lowered pegs/different bars. seems a much simpler solution, imo.

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Old 03-09-2013, 10:44 AM   #74529
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I like the DR because its aircooled and no doohickey to fix unlike the KLR. I like the KLR because it is big and roomy with a 6 gallon gas tank. Has anyone ever put a DR motor in a KLR frame? Best of both worlds me thinks and it would lighten the KLR too.
No! The DR frame is better IMO & the KLR suspension is bad.

I had a KLR and understand what to talk of.
I got that KLR opened-up comfort & felling with a big tank, windscreen, taller bars (atv mid) and dropped foot pegs (ProCycle).
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:49 AM   #74530
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hi guys, putting everything back together on the dr and needed to know the torque specs on the front and rear sprockets.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:58 AM   #74531
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hi guys, putting everything back together on the dr and needed to know the torque specs on the front and rear sprockets.
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Counter sprocket bolts - 4.5 ft lbs (shoulder/raised area goes in towards engine)
Rear Sprocket – 19.5 ftlbs
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:09 AM   #74532
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Has anyone ever put a DR motor in a KLR frame?
No, but I seriously considered putting my DR motor in my 2000 KTM frame before I ended up selling it.( the KTM that is).
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:56 AM   #74533
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That looks fairly simple, is the trick just getting good balance on a hard surface?
Where might one find one of these?
Thank you good sir.
You can improvise just about anything to do this job. Yes ... balance point.
It's not terribly stable but if you work carefully when removing front wheel you will have no problem.

Put bike IN GEAR and BLOCK rear tire. Find suitable place to position prop stand ... even under header pipe works ... Helps to have help hoiking the DR up into position while assistant inserts prop stand. I can do it solo ... but I'm a world class Bodger. A few folks sell adjustable prob stands. Not sure of links, but they are around. But a piece 2X4 can work just as well.
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:37 PM   #74534
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thanks for the numbers but how the beck do you get the wheel back in after a Cush rubber replacement??
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Counter sprocket bolts - 4.5 ft lbs (shoulder/raised area goes in towards engine)
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Old 03-09-2013, 01:07 PM   #74535
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Not generally true. Hundreds of DR owners have over loaded their DR's and done rough ON and OFF road riding. Most make it through no problem.

A few have cracked ... but mostly in extreme cases like Jammin Jay (see Ride Reports)

The Suzuki is strongest among most of it's 650 Dual Sport competition .. including: KLR, XR650L, XT600/660, BMW F650 and KTM 640.
Welding up some Gussets and supports is not a bad idea .. but you will have to be riding on very knarly tracks with a very heavy load to break the stock sub frame on the DR.
Sad to say, I'm one of the few.
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