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Old 03-14-2013, 07:43 AM   #74731
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Hmm....squids and pirates, what's the derogatory name for dual sporters or do we need to come up with one?

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Twat waffles?
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:49 AM   #74732
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:52 AM   #74733
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Hmm....squids and pirates, what's the derogatory name for dual sporters or do we need to come up with one?
There's a thread in another sub forum here discussing this. I think the consensus was "douchebag"
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:58 AM   #74734
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Be aware your DR may not have the OEM chain size, as in 520 vs 525. Something else to be aware of.

Probably best to simply replace both sprockets and the chain, then you will be sure of what you have. Besides, it's good practice, worn sprocket(s) will significantly increase chain wear. ProCycle sells sprocket/chain kits.

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Good point Lex. I hadn't considered that. I know it's due, and I've got 3890 miles on the tires too. Metzler enduro 3 s. I'd like to save some money, but I know better than to piece meal or cheap out. I guess I'm in the market for drive train and tires. Don't tell the wife, she thinks this is the inexpensive bike. -Andy
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:50 AM   #74735
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Hmm....squids and pirates, what's the derogatory name for dual sporters or do we need to come up with one?
"Friends" is about the most derogatory thing I can call my riding buddies...
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:52 AM   #74736
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:59 AM   #74737
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Price check

There's a 2009 DR650 with just over 8100 miles for sale for $4000 firm. It's a trade in at a dealership and had been listed for $5000 during February. From the pics, it looks to be in great condition. All stock and the salesman said the PO never took it off road or dropped it. He's supposedly a mature 40-something rider who traded it in for a cruiser.

This would be my first DR and I'm hoping to get a good deal! Is this a fair price?

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Old 03-14-2013, 09:25 AM   #74738
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There's a 2009 DR650 with just over 8100 miles for sale for $4000 firm. It's a trade in at a dealership and had been listed for $5000 during February. From the pics, it looks to be in great condition. All stock and the salesman said the PO never took it off road or dropped it. He's supposedly a mature 40-something rider who traded it in for a cruiser.

This would be my first DR and I'm hoping to get a good deal! Is this a fair price?

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Dealer? Write him a check for $3800 and start heading out the door. If you can get it for 4K, you can get it for 3800! I'd buy it. Farkle it YOUR way.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:53 AM   #74739
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Thanks sky sailor! I may just try that, the only gamble is that it's located 230 miles away.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:56 AM   #74740
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There's a 2009 DR650 with just over 8100 miles for sale for $4000 firm. It's a trade in at a dealership and had been listed for $5000 during February. From the pics, it looks to be in great condition. All stock and the salesman said the PO never took it off road or dropped it. He's supposedly a mature 40-something rider who traded it in for a cruiser.

This would be my first DR and I'm hoping to get a good deal! Is this a fair price?

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Well, I *think* in 2009 the DR650 MSRP was $5299. I would imagine at some point they'd be sold for around $4700 or $4800 at the dealerships (end of year or with dealer incentives). So, my thought is it's about $750 off the price it was at the time of original purchase and it's now four years old and 8,100 miles.

I think $4000 is high, but that's just my opinion. I would ask the salesman what it sold for new. If there is one owner and he traded it in on a cruiser, he may have purchased it there in the first place. I'd ask the salesperson to check and see if they were the original selling dealer. Just my own convoluted thinking, but I'd be asking the salesperson how much they intend to make on the sale of the same bike twice and see if it gets him/her thinking about coming down a bit.

Or, what might be easier is decide what it's worth to you and offer that amount. Could be it's worth $4,000 to you and you can just walk in and buy it and be done in fifteen minutes
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:04 AM   #74741
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Well, I *think* in 2009 the DR650 MSRP was $5299. I would imagine at some point they'd be sold for around $4700 or $4800 at the dealerships (end of year or with dealer incentives). So, my thought is it's about $750 off the price it was at the time of original purchase and it's now four years old and 8,100 miles.

I think $4000 is high, but that's just my opinion. I would ask the salesman what it sold for new. If there is one owner and he traded it in on a cruiser, he may have purchased it there in the first place. I'd ask the salesperson to check and see if they were the original selling dealer. Just my own convoluted thinking, but I'd be asking the salesperson how much they intend to make on the sale of the same bike twice and see if it gets him/her thinking about coming down a bit.

Or, what might be easier is decide what it's worth to you and offer that amount. Could be it's worth $4,000 to you and you can just walk in and buy it and be done in fifteen minutes
Your logic makes sense, but not for a dealership. The profits on new bikes are very low, coupled with the fact that there are literally hundreds of the exact same bike all over the country, you need to negotiate to move units.
On a used bike there is only one exact version of that bike and though others may be close, it is still a unique piece. You can then ask whatever you want for it and it will sell eventually since they can't go down the road and buy the same bike.
I worked for over fifteen years in the industry and I can say that the profit margin on a bike like a DR is small after the buyer negotiates. I would guess $400 max, on a used bike I wanted to make a grand or better on every deal.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:26 AM   #74742
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:57 AM   #74743
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:11 AM   #74744
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:35 AM   #74745
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Is it just me or does it seem like Suzuki is really selling a lot more DR 650 lately? Even my local dealer who never carries any dual sport motorcycles actually has a DR 650 on the floor for 0% finance. They usually just cater to the squids and pirates, never to dual sports.
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Check the magazines and e -media, Dual sport is the next big wave, expect to see more riders on your favorite trails come this summer. This new popularity will be a blessing and a curse.
The 2nd dual sport revolution (1st one was in the 70's) has been going on now for quite a few years. Where ya been Carl? American Suzuki guys claimed the DR650 was selling better than it ever has ... that was in 2007, and sales have continued strong.

Dual Sport sales (for all brands) were about the only segment NOT to be totally hammered by the recession. The old guys at Am. Suzuki did not get it ... because they are seriously out of touch with whats going on in the MC riding world. But the younger guys DID get it. Suzuki also promised a "new" Dual Sport ... but so far? Nothing.

This 2nd wave Dual Sport surge, IMO has been brought on by several factors ... but the ADV Rider/Long Way Round movement has been a factor for sure. Also, lots of returning riders remember how much fun they had back in the 70's on some or other dirt bike or dual sport.

Blessing and a Curse? This is true. Fewer guys are riding Cruisers and Sport bikes, more out there on Dual Sport bikes ... actually going someplace. And yes ... thousands will hit the trails this year. The aftermarket guys are the real beneficiaries here. Farkel Madness!
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