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Old 03-14-2013, 07:59 AM   #74761
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Price check

There's a 2009 DR650 with just over 8100 miles for sale for $4000 firm. It's a trade in at a dealership and had been listed for $5000 during February. From the pics, it looks to be in great condition. All stock and the salesman said the PO never took it off road or dropped it. He's supposedly a mature 40-something rider who traded it in for a cruiser.

This would be my first DR and I'm hoping to get a good deal! Is this a fair price?

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Old 03-14-2013, 08:25 AM   #74762
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There's a 2009 DR650 with just over 8100 miles for sale for $4000 firm. It's a trade in at a dealership and had been listed for $5000 during February. From the pics, it looks to be in great condition. All stock and the salesman said the PO never took it off road or dropped it. He's supposedly a mature 40-something rider who traded it in for a cruiser.

This would be my first DR and I'm hoping to get a good deal! Is this a fair price?

Thanks,
Boon
Dealer? Write him a check for $3800 and start heading out the door. If you can get it for 4K, you can get it for 3800! I'd buy it. Farkle it YOUR way.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:53 AM   #74763
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Thanks sky sailor! I may just try that, the only gamble is that it's located 230 miles away.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:56 AM   #74764
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There's a 2009 DR650 with just over 8100 miles for sale for $4000 firm. It's a trade in at a dealership and had been listed for $5000 during February. From the pics, it looks to be in great condition. All stock and the salesman said the PO never took it off road or dropped it. He's supposedly a mature 40-something rider who traded it in for a cruiser.

This would be my first DR and I'm hoping to get a good deal! Is this a fair price?

Thanks,
Boon
Well, I *think* in 2009 the DR650 MSRP was $5299. I would imagine at some point they'd be sold for around $4700 or $4800 at the dealerships (end of year or with dealer incentives). So, my thought is it's about $750 off the price it was at the time of original purchase and it's now four years old and 8,100 miles.

I think $4000 is high, but that's just my opinion. I would ask the salesman what it sold for new. If there is one owner and he traded it in on a cruiser, he may have purchased it there in the first place. I'd ask the salesperson to check and see if they were the original selling dealer. Just my own convoluted thinking, but I'd be asking the salesperson how much they intend to make on the sale of the same bike twice and see if it gets him/her thinking about coming down a bit.

Or, what might be easier is decide what it's worth to you and offer that amount. Could be it's worth $4,000 to you and you can just walk in and buy it and be done in fifteen minutes
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:04 AM   #74765
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Well, I *think* in 2009 the DR650 MSRP was $5299. I would imagine at some point they'd be sold for around $4700 or $4800 at the dealerships (end of year or with dealer incentives). So, my thought is it's about $750 off the price it was at the time of original purchase and it's now four years old and 8,100 miles.

I think $4000 is high, but that's just my opinion. I would ask the salesman what it sold for new. If there is one owner and he traded it in on a cruiser, he may have purchased it there in the first place. I'd ask the salesperson to check and see if they were the original selling dealer. Just my own convoluted thinking, but I'd be asking the salesperson how much they intend to make on the sale of the same bike twice and see if it gets him/her thinking about coming down a bit.

Or, what might be easier is decide what it's worth to you and offer that amount. Could be it's worth $4,000 to you and you can just walk in and buy it and be done in fifteen minutes
Your logic makes sense, but not for a dealership. The profits on new bikes are very low, coupled with the fact that there are literally hundreds of the exact same bike all over the country, you need to negotiate to move units.
On a used bike there is only one exact version of that bike and though others may be close, it is still a unique piece. You can then ask whatever you want for it and it will sell eventually since they can't go down the road and buy the same bike.
I worked for over fifteen years in the industry and I can say that the profit margin on a bike like a DR is small after the buyer negotiates. I would guess $400 max, on a used bike I wanted to make a grand or better on every deal.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:26 AM   #74766
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on a used bike I wanted to make a grand or better on every deal.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:57 AM   #74767
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Thanks for all the responses!
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:11 AM   #74768
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There are ten bikes or rolling chassis in there and another two in parts boxes.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:35 AM   #74769
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Is it just me or does it seem like Suzuki is really selling a lot more DR 650 lately? Even my local dealer who never carries any dual sport motorcycles actually has a DR 650 on the floor for 0% finance. They usually just cater to the squids and pirates, never to dual sports.
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Check the magazines and e -media, Dual sport is the next big wave, expect to see more riders on your favorite trails come this summer. This new popularity will be a blessing and a curse.
The 2nd dual sport revolution (1st one was in the 70's) has been going on now for quite a few years. Where ya been Carl? American Suzuki guys claimed the DR650 was selling better than it ever has ... that was in 2007, and sales have continued strong.

Dual Sport sales (for all brands) were about the only segment NOT to be totally hammered by the recession. The old guys at Am. Suzuki did not get it ... because they are seriously out of touch with whats going on in the MC riding world. But the younger guys DID get it. Suzuki also promised a "new" Dual Sport ... but so far? Nothing.

This 2nd wave Dual Sport surge, IMO has been brought on by several factors ... but the ADV Rider/Long Way Round movement has been a factor for sure. Also, lots of returning riders remember how much fun they had back in the 70's on some or other dirt bike or dual sport.

Blessing and a Curse? This is true. Fewer guys are riding Cruisers and Sport bikes, more out there on Dual Sport bikes ... actually going someplace. And yes ... thousands will hit the trails this year. The aftermarket guys are the real beneficiaries here. Farkel Madness!
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:54 AM   #74770
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The 2nd dual sport revolution (1st one was in the 70's) has been going on now for quite a few years. Where ya been Carl? A
Maybe even the 60's, I was 14 and riding a Yammy 250 2 smoke but back then they were called "Enduros". A little later I went to a Triumph T100 high pipe. Then got sucked into the first wave Chopper craze. (I'm glad both waves are over now.) My first DR was a 91 and my current is my third. My first DR I road all over New England and people would always say" You rode that dirt bike all that way?!
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:57 AM   #74771
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Although I miss the days of blasting all over the place on my 2T with no license or reg, I find a lot of fun now riding dual sport. Unlike the days gone by, I don't get chased by the cops and now have enough time and money to set up the bike and travel. Barring any serious crashes, I can see myself doing this for a long time. It's kind of like back packing but easier and louder.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:00 AM   #74772
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Although I miss the days of blasting all over the place on my 2T with no license or reg, I find a lot of fun now riding dual sport. Unlike the days gone by, I don't get chased by the cops and now have enough time and money to set up the bike and travel. Barring any serious crashes, I can see myself doing this for a long time. It kind of like back packing but easier and louder.
Rich: I predict that you will have a DR650 real soon.

maybe we can set something up so you can try mine.
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Old 03-14-2013, 11:49 AM   #74773
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Are there any other fork braces out there besides the SuperBrace and RSW Racing ones?

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Old 03-14-2013, 12:13 PM   #74774
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BST carb - Off-idle bog issues and things to check:

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Make sure the slide guide and emulsion tube are not worn out (a worn out emulsion tube will cause an excessively rich mixture at low rpm at all openings), set the float height, install a non-USA adjustable OEM needle, install the correct main jet for WOT operation, set the clip position for correct 1/4 opening operation, install the correct pilot jet for 1/16-1/8 opening operation, set the idle mixture and speed.
Thanks! Bill

I also found this you sent me before of things to check so others can see if they have carb issues.

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"I would pay particularly close attention to:

The float needle's tip: Check with and without magnification for a witness line where it has been contacting the seat. If one is found, the float valve either leaks or will begin leaking soon, causing a high fuel level or overflowing.

The needle seat o-ring: Make sure it fits snugly and is not cracked/hardened/deformed/shrunken/otherwise damaged. If it's not in good shape, it will leak, causing overflowing.

The slide guide: Make sure that the indentations concentric with the bore in the bottom corners adjacent to where the slide bottoms are still .010" (.25mm) deep or more. If they are not, the emulsion tube is at risk for wear. See http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=300, http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=301, http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=298, http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=299, and http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...ostcount=68638.

The slide: Make sure there is no vertical grooving on the downstream side and that the lift hole area has not been increased by drilling. Drilling causes excessive slide guide and slide wear, which in turn accelerates emulsion tube wear. See http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=304, http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=302, http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=303

The emulsion tube: If the outlet has ovaled, the mixture will become overly rich at low rpm at all openings. The wear can sometimes be hard to see, but keep in mind that .0004" (.01mm) of wear will be discernible on the dyno as an approximately 1 percentage point change in CO (i.e. it the CO was 4% before the wear, it would now be 5%). Sometimes spinning the tube between your fingers can help you see the wear, as can inserting something known to be round, however if the slide guide is worn more than .010" (.25mm), you can pretty much be assured that the emulsion tube is worn. See http://www.moto-lab.com/gallery/view?itemid=305, and http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...ostcount=33350.

The pilot jet: I recommend replacing it as a matter of course.

The float height: Using a float height setting tool, set it to it to 14.7mm.

More photos can be found over at http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347184.

Regards,

Derek"
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:20 PM   #74775
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Is it just me or does it seem like Suzuki is really selling a lot more DR 650 lately? Even my local dealer who never carries any dual sport motorcycles actually has a DR 650 on the floor for 0% finance. They usually just cater to the squids and pirates, never to dual sports.
Even though a small segment, the dual-sport segment is growing in numbers each year. More than likely your dealer read his dealer news mag. saw that and decided to give the DR a whirl. Let us know if it sells.
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