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Old 03-26-2013, 05:34 PM   #75196
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Some folk are just acronym challenged. But he can teach ya how the Montana werkz.
It's not really me that has an issue with them, but I can just imagine people saying WTF is a BST?
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"The motorcycle, being poorly designed for both flight and marine operation, sustained significant external and internal damage," police noted.
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:48 PM   #75197
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I pulled my starter over Christmas and lubed up the end cap bushing. It did need the CCT and FCR removing, but not the exhaust. A stock BST may not need removing, or maybe it can be just twisted around a bit?
I pulled my starter over Christmas and lubed up the end cap bushing. It did need the CCT (AKA (Also Known As) Cam Chain Tensioner) and FCR (Flat ?? Flat slide carburetor manufactured by Keihin and often adapted to DR650s) removing, but not the exhaust. A stock BST (Bing?..... probably not as Bing is a German carburetor used on older BMWs (Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, a German car and motorcycle manufacturer) among others ( Dunno, but BST 40 is the stock DR650 carburetor manufactured by Mikuni) may not need removing, or maybe it can be just twisted around a bit?

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Old 03-26-2013, 06:03 PM   #75198
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:16 PM   #75199
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I pulled my starter over Christmas and lubed up the end cap bushing. It did need the CCT (AKA (Also Known As) Cam Chain Tensioner) and FCR (Flat ?? Flat slide carburetor manufactured by Keihin and often adapted to DR650s) removing, but not the exhaust. A stock BST (Bing?..... probably not as Bing is a German carburetor used on older BMWs (Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, a German car and motorcycle manufacturer) among others ( Dunno, but BST 40 is the stock DR650 carburetor manufactured by Mikuni) may not need removing, or maybe it can be just twisted around a bit?

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Perhaps the pendulum has swung a little too far, but I'm sure there's somebody out there who's breathing a sigh of relief, now that those are clarified.

But hey, I was being facetious when I first made the TLA comment!
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:18 PM   #75200
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(Bing?..... probably not as Bing is a German carburetor used on older BMWs ([/COLOR][COLOR=Red]Bayerische Motoren Werke AG, a German car and motorcycle manufacturer) among others
I thought "Bing" was the noise that important circlip made when it flew off your pliers and buried itself in the rubble of the shop nether regions?
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:21 PM   #75201
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Perhaps the pendulum has swung a little too far, but I'm sure there's somebody out there who's breathing a sigh of relief, now that those are clarified.

But hey, I was being facetious when I first made the TLA comment!
Its OK, I'm smiling too. Written communication is such a challenge. So much of human communication is body language and tone and emphasis of the spoken word that's hard to convey in a quick forum post. And then we have a mix of cultures, and not only across borders
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:11 PM   #75202
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Depends on what you have for sockets. Most bolts that require inch pound are small and often need a small socket to get to. My inch/lb has 1/4 drive- but I have a whole drawer of 1/4 drive stuff.

If you don't have a lot of 1/4 drive sockets I say get the 3/8 so you don't have to buy sockets as well. Unless you just need an excuse to buy tools- which I never seem to.

Reason to buy tools. Is there a consensus on a decent torque wrench to get?
I was thinking of picking one up. Don't need a snap-on but don't want to buy junk.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:14 PM   #75203
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Its OK, I'm smiling too. Written communication is such a challenge. So much of human communication is body language and tone and emphasis of the spoken word that's hard to convey in a quick forum post. And then we have a mix of cultures, and not only across borders
Let alone spelling and grammar issues.

Saw this recently: Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

Had to laugh.

Obligatory DR content: picked up a set of IMS pegs today. Quite nice, look like they should make standing more comfortable.

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Old 03-26-2013, 07:15 PM   #75204
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I'm about to place an order with Cogent Dynamics for a suspension upgrade to my '09 DR650 and I'd be interested in a spring rate comparison with what others have used. I'm around 200 lbs. with full winter riding gear, the bike has a 4.9 gal. IMS tank, 1 gal. RotopaX fuel container, skid plate, center stand, Happy-Trails side panel protector racks, all of the regular soft textile bags and the contents; front number plate, tank, tank panniers, sm. and md. dry duffle bags for camping gear, tail bag and saddlebags. I'm considering having a custom set of aluminum panniers and racks made by kirkster70 (see his posts at the "Garage" thread; he's no rookie!), but I'm already past the 275 lbs. that I gave Cogent as an estimate for total weight and Kirk's panniers and racks would add an additional 30 to 35 lbs., so I'm not sure if I want that much additional weight added to an already fairly heavy set up or not. Cogent has suggested that I go with a set of .50 kg/mm RaceTech straight rate fork springs, they also sell a .55 set and a 8.4 kg/mm rear shock spring to go with their best shock, anything heavier would have to be a custom order. I also plan to install a set of Ricor Intiminators. I tend to pack on the heavy side anyway and adding another 50 lbs. via the aluminum panniers and probably some other needless stuff would be no problem for me, but seeing as I plan to use the bike as a 50/50 dual sport, less is best and I know better than over loading a bike and then fighting it in the rough stuff. Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 03-26-2013, 07:16 PM   #75205
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Reason to buy tools. Is there a consensus on a decent torque wrench to get?
I was thinking of picking one up. Don't need a snap-on but don't want to buy junk.
Try these:
http://www.protorquetools.com/cat-35...e-wrenches.htm
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:21 PM   #75206
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Question I'm challenged and I admit it

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Some folk are just acronym challenged. But he can teach ya how the Montana werkz.
Yep, that's me.
Acronym challenged.
I don't text, don't have a smart phone either.
In fact the basic phone I have is smarter than me.

Over time and reading context I have figured out most of the acronyms but I still haven't found the REAL meaning for the acronym DR.

Desert Rat?
Design Reject?
Delta Rhino?
Dog Runner?
Duh Rapper?
Doo Run?
Dude Rancher?

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Old 03-26-2013, 07:32 PM   #75207
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Yep, that's me.
Acronym challenged.
I don't text, don't have a smart phone either.
In fact the basic phone I have is smarter than me.

Over time and reading context I have figured out most of the acronyms but I still haven't found the REAL meaning for the acronym DR.

Desert Rat?
Design Reject?
Delta Rhino?
Dog Runner?
Duh Rapper?
Doo Run?
Dude Rancher?

What say you experts?
A lot of the guys here refer to them as Dog Rooters, and sometimes Drug Runners.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:39 PM   #75208
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Yep, that's me.
Acronym challenged.
I don't text, don't have a smart phone either.
In fact the basic phone I have is smarter than me.

..................
This is a good site:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/

And at the risk of being accused as a pedant, again, there is a difference between acronyms and abbreviations. Both are abbreviations, but acronyms are a subset of abbreviations that can also be pronounced as if they are a word themselves.

So, RFS is Rural Fire Service and hard to pronounce as a word, so its an abbreviation only, but TAFE, say, is an abbreviation for Technical And Further Education, and an acronym too because its like a word as well .

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Old 03-26-2013, 07:55 PM   #75209
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Reason to buy tools. Is there a consensus on a decent torque wrench to get?
I was thinking of picking one up. Don't need a snap-on but don't want to buy junk.
On the Wrenching Forum there is a discussion of all things Harbor Freight and actually the torque wrenchs get quite good reviews and super cheap.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:21 PM   #75210
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SNIP but I'm already past the 275 lbs. that I gave Cogent as an estimate for total weight and Kirk's panniers and racks would add an additional 30 to 35 lbs., so I'm not sure if I want that much additional weight added to an already fairly heavy set up or not. Cogent has suggested that I go with a set of .50 kg/mm RaceTech straight rate fork springs, they also sell a .55 set and a 8.4 kg/mm rear shock spring to go with their best shock, anything heavier would have to be a custom order. I also plan to install a set of Ricor Intiminators.
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Ride quality and desires are somewhat subjective. IMO, the numbers above should be about perfect for your weight and load. I'm not sure what the Ricor Intimidator guy recommends regards matching fork spring rates to his product. I'd ask him about that.

I'm about the same weight but don't often load the bike as heavily as you intend. I'm running straight rate .47 kg. fork springs, seems about right.
Race Tech Emulators, 10 wt. oil.

When I had the stock stock I had a 7.6 kg. spring. But the stock shock was so lacking that the spring was did not solve the problems. With your deluxe Cogent shock you should have good adjustment of compression and rebound levels ... and rebound that WORKS.

For me ... what is important when riding off road is plushness. Too stiff and you'll be careening off rocks, tires deflecting when they should not and feeling jolts on landings and sharp hits and hurt your wrists and hands.

The thing is ... you really DO want to use most of your 10" of travel. So YES ... on road the forks may dive some under braking! But with Intiminators, I hear they prevent fork dive. (I've never used them)

So... to me this means perhaps they are not so PLUSH off road? It's a hard balance to get to but once you ride a really well set up dirt bike ... you'll be in heaven as you float over that nasty rock creek bed. Not easy to achieve perfection but there are things you can do to get close.

Some tuning can be done beyond Spring Rates:
Forks:
Oil weight, oil height in fork tubes, preload spacer and Tuning Intiminators (or Race Tech Emulators). With my Emulators I can do further tuning by drilling more holes in the Damper Rods and changing the little rebound springs they provide in the kit.

Get everything right and it's not a bad set up. Won't match a full on Moto X upside down fork, but for most dual sport work it can be pretty good if you get everything right.

Shock:
Really comes down to having a low friction shock with sophisticated rebound circuits. Cogent know their business ... I'm sure you'll get all that ... if not, send in back to be re-worked.
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