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Old 03-29-2013, 06:59 PM   #75316
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Pah, we don't even need our winter parkas for that up here in Canada. Seriously though, the coldest I ever worked in when on the rigs was -55C (-67F), WITH a breeze. You were good for about 20 minutes in that before you had to head inside to warm up. Never seen tires crack like that and spent over 30 years with winter temps regularly hovering around -35C or colder.
I'm guessing that they don't sell many summer-compound tires for on-road use in Canada. All-season or winter compounds are likely to be the norm there. They can tolerate some ungodly cold before cracking. I don't expect to see snow tires that last 40K+ miles through Death Valley summer temps.

I have trouble finding windshield washer fluid down here that doesn't freeze at 32F. The autoparts stores here must not think anybody ever drives further north than Daytona.

Marketing is just yanking our chains about summer, all-season, and winter compounds? I don't see why they'd bother. I buy name-brand UHP all-season tires for my car for around $50/ea. I see summer tires for less and more. What difference does it make? Does 0W30 oil cost much different from 15W40? One works better for winter temps. One works better for summer temps.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:15 PM   #75317
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motorcycle tires may crack in the tread area from impact or deformation at low ambient temperatures

Note it says in tread area, not the sidewall, and from impact, not from being stored in a cold garage. If the tires had any chance of failing apart in below freezing tempsthey wouldn't be sold for liability issues or you'd have to sign waivers out the kazoo.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:17 PM   #75318
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They also say...

Only specially trained persons should mount tires.

To seat tire bead,never exceed the following pressure:
Motorcycle Tires : Do not exceed 57 P.S.I.

Use extreme caution when riding on new tires.
Avoid sudden acceleration,maximum braking,and hard cornering for first 100 miles.


Purely legal, covering their asses, spiel.
'Quite possible.

That said, I've never had a slippery issue with new tires or cold tires, but I've seen several videos on youtube of people who do. Therefore, I don't rule out the possibility that I could one day encounter slippery new/cold tires.

Bead-seating cages were invented for a reason too. I'm guessing that most tire sidewall max pressures are stated with a pretty good safety margin, and that even specially-trained people still damage tires or rims occasionally when mounting them. Untrained people? We probably damage more.

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Old 03-29-2013, 07:18 PM   #75319
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Managed to put about 100 miles on the bike today. Had a lot of fun, though, the roads are still quite muddy. Here's a photo of the DR and one of my new helmet:



Looks good but putting the helmet on the seat is a big no no .
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:22 PM   #75320
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Today

Finally warm enough to get out. Started the DR 650 equipped with the FCR41 carb, using the enriching circuit, not a choke, and got in a shakedown cruise on pavement.
Pulled the blankets off the other bikes & put the battery in the XV. Fired right up.
Longer ride on the Xv tomorrow...
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:30 PM   #75321
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motorcycle tires may crack in the tread area from impact or deformation at low ambient temperatures

Note it says in tread area, not the sidewall, and from impact, not from being stored in a cold garage. If the tires had any chance of failing apart in below freezing tempsthey wouldn't be sold for liability issues or you'd have to sign waivers out the kazoo.
Did you read any of the related links posted by others regarding this cracking issue? The disclaimers are usually pretty vague and broad. What you posted also mentions "or deformation". You seem to have just ignored that part in your further note, but it is a vague kind of addition that lawyers love.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:56 PM   #75322
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Did you read any of the related links posted by others regarding this cracking issue? The disclaimers are usually pretty vague and broad. What you posted also mentions "or deformation". You seem to have just ignored that part in your further note, but it is a vague kind of addition that lawyers love.
Deformation means?? To me it means it deformed because you whacked into something. This started talking about tires having massive destruction from being exposed to cold temps, at -50 perhaps.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:12 PM   #75323
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That's a great Photo

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Managed to put about 100 miles on the bike today. Had a lot of fun, though, the roads are still quite muddy. Here's a photo of the DR and one of my new helmet:

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Old 03-29-2013, 08:16 PM   #75324
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Looks good but putting the helmet on the seat is a big no no .
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That's a great Photo
Thanks, guys. Glad my helmet didn't end up in that muddy mess!
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:53 PM   #75325
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"Summer tires?" Jeezum -- once again I've heard it all. Summer tires is as big a crock as the old prank of "winter air." Or the carpenter's prank of a "board stretcher," or the plumber's joke about "left-handed" pipe wrenches.
The following sources disagree....

http://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/category/summer
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...summer-9647443
http://www.continental-tires.com/www.../summer-tires/

Most Major tire companies offer these(summer) compounds

And someone has asked for a motorcycle specific source...Please read the last paragraph on this page.

http://www.bridgestone.com/products/...ote/index.html
I read that last paragraph, and it's got me more concerned than ever. Now, it's only "low ambient temperatures" where the tires may fail. 50*F is a low ambient temperature for me.

That paragraph does not help your position, oldschool.

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Old 03-29-2013, 10:40 PM   #75326
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Deformation means??
Exactly. Lawyers love that vague crap that can be interpreted any number of ways. The way the caution wording is, a tire could be deformed by anything, including, but not limited to, stacking it against something, leaning it against something, running it into something, leaving it on a bike with any weight still on it, etc. Tires typically flex and deform as they just roll along the road. They don't necessarily have to get whacked into anything. Their a$$ is covered.

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Old 03-30-2013, 06:16 AM   #75327
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I think you need to trade the dog for a cat. Or get a cat the dog gets on with.
Whoa! That's better than the time I found a peanut in my Scarabeo 500. Thanks squirrel.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:14 AM   #75328
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Just bought Warp 9 Short Levers for the DR. Does anyone know where there any tips or instructions on how to put these rascals on or are they pretty much a exact replacement. Help

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Old 03-30-2013, 11:22 AM   #75329
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Funny stuff, I saw the picture and thought immediately that looked like Pennsylvania! Anyhow, where are you from?


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Thanks, guys. Glad my helmet didn't end up in that muddy mess!
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Old 03-30-2013, 12:05 PM   #75330
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cannot wait for spring

the lake is still frozen but at least it's not cold.
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