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Old 04-10-2013, 11:48 AM   #75631
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I'm thinking it could possibly be the fuel line being constricted since the carb still has the inlet pipe going straight up, so the line is fairly short from the Pingel tap to the carb, and has a nasty twist which could be restricting the flow.

I'm going to try to make that line up better but the last time I attempted to turn the inlet pipe, it failed to move no matter what I tried.
Would you mind posting a photo of that nasty twist, just for the curious? Be sure to understand, the Monday morning quarterbacks are probably going to question your routing; even though you had no choice in the alignment.

My Acerbis 5.3 passed the first 'run it until completely empty' test. But adding the gallon I had, wouldn't flow thru(sic) the uphill bend. I had trouble getting it restarted. This was my first exposure to the situation, next time I'll use the fuel enrichment immediately (hi Derek ) (it was completely warmed up and I thought it would fire right up). Yes, the petcock was set to PRI while I put my helmet and gloves back on to refill the float bowl.

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Old 04-10-2013, 12:42 PM   #75632
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Wings on skid plate to close to oil filter housing and to close on oppisite side also...has this been addressed anywher in this forum.
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I just bent my skid plate out a bit. Been that way for over 3 years now.
Tks for the answer, any other opinions
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:06 PM   #75633
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I'm thinking it could possibly be the fuel line being constricted since the carb still has the inlet pipe going straight up, so the line is fairly short from the Pingel tap to the carb, and has a nasty twist which could be restricting the flow.

I'm going to try to make that line up better but the last time I attempted to turn the inlet pipe, it failed to move no matter what I tried.
I occasionally have the exact same symptoms on my '05 DR with an IMS tank. I have the old, original IMS petcock that has the fuel outlet pointed forward instead of back toward the carb. Because of this, I run the fuel line upward and then back to the carb, so some of the fuel line runs above both the petcock outlet and carb inlet. After sitting for a while with the petcock off, sometimes an air "bubble" will develop in the fuel line and the weight of the gas above the petcock intake is not heavy enough to push out the air "bubble" and there is not enough gas in the line to syphon gas through the fuel line into the carb. The bubble could be from fuel boiling after shutting down the bike when it it very hot or maybe even a leaking float valve or maybe just from a lot of time? When that happens and I start the bike, it will run long enough to drain whatever is in the fuel bowl and then stumble like it is running out of gas, just like you are experiencing. When this happens, I just hold the fuel line down below the petcock and carb for a couple seconds to make sure the fuel line completely fills with gas and it works perfectly again until I let the bike sit unused for too long. This only happens a couple times a year, so it is not a big enough problem for me to buy a new petcock and correctly route the fuel line. So, check to see if the fuel line is routed above the petcock outlet and carb inlet. If so, that may be your problem...

One of these years I'll replace that silly IMS petcock with one that points the right way and fix it for good, but at least I know what happens if the engine ever starts sputtering and can fix it in 10 seconds...
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:16 PM   #75634
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Tks for the answer, any other opinions
Is the skid plate made for the DR, or another bike? Can you post pics of both sides?
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:02 PM   #75635
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Did some searching and can't seem to find a real answer so I was hoping some others could give me a hand. I installed emulators and new springs in my forks and I now notice a clunking when holding the front brake and rocking the bike back and forth. At first I thought perhaps the steering head bearings might be loose but I don't think that is it. If I put the front wheel against the wall and push up and down the fork will stroke nice and quiet. It seems like the noise is coming from slight front caliper movement and maybe I just never noticed before. Just curious if any others notice this sound. Really appreciate any assistance with this so I can stop pulling things apart trying to find it. Thanks.
Hey JB650, chances are good its the front rotor thats knocking on you. the dr650 has a 2 peice front rotor and the rivets that join the inner and out plates wear just slightly and youll feel the knock/play when you grab the brakes. your in no danger unless its really bad its just annoying.

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Old 04-10-2013, 02:22 PM   #75636
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Would you mind posting a photo of that nasty twist, just for the curious? Be sure to understand, the Monday morning quarterbacks are probably going to question your routing; even though you had no choice in the alignment.


It's not pretty, but this is what I put on it this afternoon. Some clear line which loops around and back to the carb. I have the line tied to the fuel tap so it doesn't melt on the engine. This is more of an experiment than a finished setup. I hate looped lines, but I couldn't see any other way to do it right now. For the moment, there's no filter in the line, aside from the one on the Pingle tap inlet.

I rode about 30 km and the bike didn't hiccup even once, so that's a good sign.

I also put new spark plugs in and blew all the passageways out of the carb so it's hard to tell which change is responsible.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:37 PM   #75637
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It's not pretty, but this is what I put on it this afternoon. Some clear line which loops around and back to the carb. I have the line tied to the fuel tap so it doesn't melt on the engine. This is more of an experiment than a finished setup. I hate looped lines, but I couldn't see any other way to do it right now. For the moment, there's no filter in the line, aside from the one on the Pingle tap inlet.

I rode about 30 km and the bike didn't hiccup even once, so that's a good sign.

I also put new spark plugs in and blew all the passageways out of the carb so it's hard to tell which change is responsible.
Thanks for the photo.

You might notice an air bubble in the high spot but that doesn't mean fuel won't flow. I used clear filters on my dirt bikes (long ago), and they always had an air bubble. It made me knutz.

It looks like the IMS petcock is about 1-1/2" farther back than the Acerbis. Kudos for experimenting. My retirement buddy will starve to death before trying anything new or different. Narrow minded old fuddy. That's why I asked for the pic, always looking for new ideas, whether I use them or not.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:32 PM   #75638
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I picked up a 2008 earlier this week.

Here is what I have on order already. What else should I get? I want a good all a rounder. Desert, mountains, some touring. Carb up grade? Pipes? I felt like suspension needed the most attention right away.


Stock Body Rebuild w/Cogent SSA-Stock DR Shock Body Rebuilt with Cogent Shock Shaft Assembly
7.5 Rear Spring
CNC Collar and Thrust Bearing
RSW Fork Brace
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Acerbis 5.3 Gal. Tank - White
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:34 PM   #75639
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speaking of IMS tank with gravity-feed fuel valves: one positive thing I learnt is that, at least on the IMS rigs of last 4 years or so, the cap fits tightly enough that if you have a good fitting vent hose on it, the whole thing will hold pressure. I found that when I got the 'air bubble' fuel flow restriction that many of you have experienced, if you blow in that hose and hold pressure with a thumb or finger, it will start. trust me. I've been 'stranded' in several spots and had this happen, check the tank and there wwas fuel in it but not enough pressure. did this, turned the starter over and let it spin a couple seconds and she fired up.

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It was the first thing I checked. It's clean, or at least it was last Sunday.

But I just remembered one more weird thing that happened on my ride on Monday: even though I filled the tank with fresh fuel in the morning, at about 150 km, the bike displayed all the symptoms of having run out of gas as the motor quit completely, and wouldn't fire up again until I hit reserve on my Pingle fuel tap.

And when I filled up, it only took 10 liters to fill my IMS tank so it was still half full.

So I think the next step is to check out the fuel tap.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:42 PM   #75640
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Hey JB650, chances are good its the front rotor thats knocking on you. the dr650 has a 2 peice front rotor and the rivets that join the inner and out plates wear just slightly and youll feel the knock/play when you grab the brakes. your in no danger unless its really bad its just annoying.

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Thanks warp9man. I have been looking at it and it is definitely the brake. Caliper or rotor. With the wheel against the wall the forks stroke real nice and smooth with no noise. I can feel it in the brake caliper also when holding the front brake. So I'm going to just ignore it. Was hoping to ride soon but 30 degrees and freezing rain. Nothing like a big old ice storm in April. Thanks for the response warp9man.
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:46 PM   #75641
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I picked up a 2008 earlier this week.

Here is what I have on order already. What else should I get? I want a good all a rounder. Desert, mountains, some touring. Carb up grade? Pipes? I felt like suspension needed the most attention right away.


Stock Body Rebuild w/Cogent SSA-Stock DR Shock Body Rebuilt with Cogent Shock Shaft Assembly
7.5 Rear Spring
CNC Collar and Thrust Bearing
RSW Fork Brace
Oil Filter Magnet
Acerbis 5.3 Gal. Tank - White
Front Signal Relocation Kit
1 Inch Handlebar Risers
Clymer Manual DR650
Fork braces get mixed reviews. Most find the front fork springs way too soft, and swap springs, then add emulators from RaceTech or Ricor Intiminators.

Have you done any distance yet? Very often the stock seat is the first thing upgraded. Just be careful when you fling that Suzuki seat away, not to hit anyone with it. The edges are sharp!
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:50 PM   #75642
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Fork braces get mixed reviews. Most find the front fork springs way too soft, and swap springs, then add emulators from RaceTech or Ricor Intiminators.

Have you done any distance yet? Very often the stock seat is the first thing upgraded. Just be careful when you fling that Suzuki seat away, not to hit anyone with it. The edges are sharp!
This bike came with a Sargent seat and the stock seat. I think a fork brace makes sense. We shall see.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:35 PM   #75643
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Thanks for the photo.

You might notice an air bubble in the high spot but that doesn't mean fuel won't flow. I used clear filters on my dirt bikes (long ago), and they always had an air bubble. It made me knutz.

It looks like the IMS petcock is about 1-1/2" farther back than the Acerbis. Kudos for experimenting. My retirement buddy will starve to death before trying anything new or different. Narrow minded old fuddy. That's why I asked for the pic, always looking for new ideas, whether I use them or not.
Yeah, it's all really tight in there with the fittings in their current positions. I think I'm going to look for a couple of elbows to make two short lengths of hose and a filter fit in the space and have as clear a run as possible.

One of these, perhaps:



And one of these, too.

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Old 04-10-2013, 06:59 PM   #75644
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Hey everyone, long time reader of advrider first time poster. Well I did my shopping around for about a year or so while I rode my old beat up drz400. sold it and finally bought a New 2013 DR650 last saturday. I absolutely love it, it is everything I expected and I got a killer deal. Just installed the tail tidy kit from procycle and new gun metal skid plate from procycle, looks awsome. Also got some case savers to put on. I appreciate all the great advice I have read on this forum it helped me decide which bike to go with. I look forward to posting some awsome ride pictures once I get her broken in and I can start letting loose. I would post a picture of it with the new skid plate etc. but I'm not sure how. You have to have a photobucket account or the likes?
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:32 PM   #75645
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It's not pretty, but this is what I put on it this afternoon. Some clear line which loops around and back to the carb. I have the line tied to the fuel tap so it doesn't melt on the engine. This is more of an experiment than a finished setup. I hate looped lines, but I couldn't see any other way to do it right now. For the moment, there's no filter in the line, aside from the one on the Pingle tap inlet.

I rode about 30 km and the bike didn't hiccup even once, so that's a good sign.

I also put new spark plugs in and blew all the passageways out of the carb so it's hard to tell which change is responsible.
A straight line is a PITA so will try ur way thanks
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