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Old 04-24-2013, 04:22 PM   #76066
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Flying's one thing, landings another.
tell me about it the Subframe crossmember that my rack bolts to snapped . I got a piece of 1/4 x 1 1/2 flatstock that I am replacing it with not gonna have any issues with it in the future.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:45 PM   #76067
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I thought it was all related to a too tight chain. After I ripped mine out, I now know otherwise. I replaced mine, but up and forward a bit, and with a brace under the bolt head up to the cross member. No issues now for 40k +
Yep, nothing to do with a too tight chain.
Looks like your roller still gets quite a bit of a workout.

Mine has been removed for 100,000km now.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:22 PM   #76068
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Yep, nothing to do with a too tight chain.
Looks like your roller still gets quite a bit of a workout.

Mine has been removed for 100,000km now.
How many times will this come around I wonder? If it's nothing to do with too tight a chain,then what pulls the roller out of the frame? Gravity?
I know many of you are new to bikes and adjusting things but....

Take the shock off the bike,let the rear end drop through it's travel and watch where the chain goes in relation to the roller when the chain is too tight.
The chain will hang up and pull real hard on that roller,Ive tried it.

Chain properly adjusted and it wont,its real easy to get the chain too tight with the cheapo snail adjusters.

This isnt hearsay or me wondering about it,its what happens in real life/real time,the top roller on my bike is fine after 26000 miles of lots of off road beatings.

But if you think that roller pops out of the frame because it get's tired and just cant hang on anymore,that's fine also.

(Many folks think they're adjusting their chain just right keeping it snugged up,not always so)
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:43 PM   #76069
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If you do, make sure you also remove the plunger and spring behind the switch.
Check out this article by Elden Carl
http://www.topgunmotorcycles.com/ti_...e/tinov06.html

It's an old article, but the bike hasn't changed much and he carries a little more credibility then I do.

That old man has led an amazing life. As a handgunner I was aware of him before I ever knew anything about dual sport bikes. Then to find out he was an expert on that too.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:57 PM   #76070
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Dozens of stock tanks come up for sale every month in the Flea Market forum. IMO, $200 is a bit high, more power to ya if you can get it. Usually a pristine stock tank goes for around $100. Good luck!
ok - I'll take the best offer. :)
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:33 PM   #76071
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ok - I'll take the best offer. :)
I couldn't sell mine awhile back when I offered it up for less than $100.00.........

Guess I'll just hold on to it for the next 30 years and when guys start restoring DR's I'll sell it for big bucks.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:39 PM   #76072
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I couldn't sell mine awhile back when I offered it up for less than $100.00.........

Guess I'll just hold on to it for the next 30 years and when guys start restoring DR's I'll sell it for big bucks.
Or put it back on the bike if you ever want to sell it and buy a newer DR; that way you don't have to buy a new big tank for the new bike. That's what I plan to do, eventually.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:48 PM   #76073
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:49 PM   #76074
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If the rear shock is compressed from a impact and the engine is under acceleration the chain is going to be tight no matter how it is adjusted!! Top run of the chain is always tight under acceleration.

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How many times will this come around I wonder? If it's nothing to do with too tight a chain,then what pulls the roller out of the frame? Gravity?
I know many of you are new to bikes and adjusting things but....

Take the shock off the bike,let the rear end drop through it's travel and watch where the chain goes in relation to the roller when the chain is too tight.
The chain will hang up and pull real hard on that roller,Ive tried it.

Chain properly adjusted and it wont,its real easy to get the chain too tight with the cheapo snail adjusters.

This isnt hearsay or me wondering about it,its what happens in real life/real time,the top roller on my bike is fine after 26000 miles of lots of off road beatings.

But if you think that roller pops out of the frame because it get's tired and just cant hang on anymore,that's fine also.

(Many folks think they're adjusting their chain just right keeping it snugged up,not always so)
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:00 PM   #76075
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Wow, jumping over a shopping mall!
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:53 PM   #76076
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DR's jump fine, it is the landing that is harsh.
Not me riding, but me taking the pic. It is Lil'Steve riding his low-rider DR
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:59 PM   #76077
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Hey! Nice Pic Rich!
Man ... that sucker is fully BOTTOMED OUT! Glad the rider is not seated.Ouch! Anyone remember the story from the Aussie rider who was jumping his DR on a Moto track ... the foot peg BROKE OFF. I think he broke his ankle. Another good reason to not add lowered, re-welded pegs. Caution please.

I avoid jumping my DR650, but do like to loft the front off water bars. But those are soft landings. Hard landings on the DR are just asking for disaster.
But you can charge Mexican Topes at full speed ... even with a big load, something that really messes up a loaded KLR. (been there, done it)
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:32 PM   #76078
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But you can charge Mexican Topes at full speed ... even with a big load
With my still-improving amateur offroad skill, I'll wait until I have rebound damping out back before I try that.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:23 PM   #76079
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How many times will this come around I wonder? If it's nothing to do with too tight a chain,then what pulls the roller out of the frame? Gravity?
Ha-ha-ha!
I know many of you are new to bikes and adjusting things but....

Take the shock off the bike,let the rear end drop through it's travel and watch where the chain goes in relation to the roller when the chain is too tight.
The chain will hang up and pull real hard on that roller,Ive tried it.

Chain properly adjusted and it wont,its real easy to get the chain too tight with the cheapo snail adjusters.

This isnt hearsay or me wondering about it,its what happens in real life/real time,the top roller on my bike is fine after 26000 miles of lots of off road beatings.

But if you think that roller pops out of the frame because it get's tired and just cant hang on anymore,that's fine also.

(Many folks think they're adjusting their chain just right keeping it snugged up,not always so)
I am guessing you have never watched a super slo-mo video of a motorcycle chain in action.

It does NOT travel a nice straight path as it appears when checking clearance statically as you suggest.

I do agree that a chain that is too tight will cause problems.
Not just roller problems but much more serious problems too.

However, I believe that many, if not most (and possibly all), of the chain rollers that have been forcibly removed were taken out by (slack) chain (deceleration) whip.

A tight chain will tear up the roller plastic and will be obviously wearing the roller. It will wear over time and would be more likely to bend the bolt than tear the weld off. The chain force would be like using a pry bar to bend the roller/bolt upwards. Has anyone ever found one bent up?

The force required to tear the frame out as it does is much more likely caused by a sudden extreme blow and not a gradual loading that the suspension compressing would deliver. (gradual in this case being milliseconds, but not instantaneous)

Ever play "crack the whip"?
That is what the chain does to the upper roller I believe.

The chain whip hits the roller like a sledge hammer.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:52 PM   #76080
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good points all. this bike is being built to do long off road tours and it not much stock left at this point. infact I have no key, zero safety switches,different headlight,vapor speedo....basically all i have left of a 2001 dr 650 is a motor with 3 miles and a frame


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Probably some loss in resale value. A potential future buyer may think of a non-working neutral light as something that would have to be fixed by a shop.
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