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Old 04-28-2013, 02:12 PM   #76201
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i can't get the screws loose on my carb's float bowl or the throtler cable braket. i might have to drill them out today. dose anybody know what size they are so i can buy them before i get started, i'm going to go get an impact driver today and i would like to replace them with some hard steal screws.
That happened on my stock carb. I got the dremel out ant turned the screws into slotted screws instead of philips screws.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:22 PM   #76202
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Frames can be straightened, and that one was. You can see it was clamped and pulled. Whoever had that bike repaired the damage from the accident to make it straight (or at least close), but bike frames are not like car frames. They don't have crumple zones and sectioning specs like cars do. Bike frames are not meant to be straightened, they are meant to be replaced, and in most places that means a salvaged title associated with that VIN, and significantly decreased value. As someone else posted, it also appears to have damage in other parts of the frame. That frame has been repaired, and you can see by the repair it still needs to be replaced.
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Old 04-28-2013, 04:41 PM   #76203
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I guess I should have pulled the tank off before I bought this....but who does that. im just too trusting, no one to blame but me.
Not at all!

We know who is to blame.

I would never have thought to pull the tank either UNLESS it was disclosed that the bike had been wrecked and/or was on a rebuilt title.
It is fraud to sell something like this without disclosure.
That is something you could tell the seller if you want out.


motor mounts look new and no cracks in any welds, however the rubber mounts for the tank are off kilter a little. the acerbiz seems like it would stay on when bolted down, I cant lift it off the front.

ive ordered all the good stuff from procycle, jet kit, k&n, pro taper adaptors, full header, dr 250 tail kit, gold valve , heaver springs, pat walsh skid, pat walsh rear rack, extreame spot lights, not to mention protaper bars, gixer pipe with mid pipe, happy trails panniers...it was going to be a nice DR..

I may continue on, gotta sleep on it. thanks for all the replies. heres a shot with a straight edge down the center of frame, it seems to line up with the center of the steering head, but im far from being a frame guy or mechanic.



This picture and the comments of others brings into question the engine mounts even more. Remove one engine mount bolt at a time and see if the bolts all slide in and out easily. IF the frame is bent and is putting stress on one or more of the engine mounts, the bolt will be jammed in place and under tension. NOT acceptable.

That would mean that the engine is holding the frame in shape and that can lead to the stresses on the aluminum engine case mounts could crack the cases over time and vibration.

All the great stuff you have bought will transfer to any DR so that is not lost money.

As mentioned by others, a crash that could bend a frame like that would have destroyed the forks and front wheel also so those parts, and probably the triple clamps too, have been replaced. Most likely from another crashed DR.

If you got a super good deal on the bike it MIGHT be worth keeping.
On the other hand, there are a lot of very good used DR's for sale.

You could send him a text that you want to give him an opportunity to make things right BEFORE you go to the Police and report him for FRAUD and go to the DMV to alert them of a suspicious seller of damaged (unsafe) vehicles.

If he is innocent of knowing about the damage, he will give you your money back.
If he is guilty, he will WANT to give you back your money to keep the Police from knocking on his door.

Keep in mind also that you will NOT be able to sell that bike for what you have in it. Not even close.

You could go visit the Police and, keeping the seller's name out, discuss what they recommend you do to get your money back.
I had a "situation" and after talking with a nice lady cop she offered to accompany me. That made a big difference.
The advice "talk softly and carry a big stick" came to mind.
No charges made, no problem for anyone, but the other person knew he was now on the Police radar.

Just a few more thoughts for your rotten situation.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:40 PM   #76204
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Just realized that when I did my valve check in Cape Town, before putting the bike in a crate for her sea voyage to India, I messed up with the feeler gauges. Instead of using the 0.10 mm (middle of tolerance) for the intake valves, I used the 0.010" = 0.25 mm gauge. Bike starts up easily and runs well, did a 60 mile ride so far but valves sound loud.

I would just go back and redo the valve check but in Cape Town the crankshaft cap got stripped. I got it to TDC by spinning the rear wheel in gear.

I'm just about to set off on a tour around India on Tuesday. How critical is it to redo the valve clearance or can I leave it as it is? Intake valves tighten up over time, right? If I leave it at 0.25 mm instead of 0.10mm, am I doing any damage?
They are a fair bit loose and will hammer the tappet screws and valve stems more as a result. Will it cause any damage, dunno. But revving it will make it worse.

I did the valves on a mates bike the other day. We suspect it was the first time they'd been looked at at 20,000 kms. The inlets were both loose and needed tightening up, and 1 exhaust was loose too. Much quieter now. Were they originally this loose, or did they loosen over time, dunno.

FWIW, I posted this a while back, its how I do the valves:
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:58 PM   #76205
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No one has mentioned the acceleration and deceleration ramps on the cam lobes. They're cut to lift and close the valves gently. If your clearances are too loose, the valves are getting slammed open and dropped shut. I'd redo them.
I wish I was there and you were here.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:33 PM   #76206
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This picture and the comments of others brings into question the engine mounts even more. Remove one engine mount bolt at a time and see if the bolts all slide in and out easily. IF the frame is bent and is putting stress on one or more of the engine mounts, the bolt will be jammed in place and under tension. NOT acceptable.

That would mean that the engine is holding the frame in shape and that can lead to the stresses on the aluminum engine case mounts could crack the cases over time and vibration.

All the great stuff you have bought will transfer to any DR so that is not lost money.

As mentioned by others, a crash that could bend a frame like that would have destroyed the forks and front wheel also so those parts, and probably the triple clamps too, have been replaced. Most likely from another crashed DR.

If you got a super good deal on the bike it MIGHT be worth keeping.
On the other hand, there are a lot of very good used DR's for sale.

You could send him a text that you want to give him an opportunity to make things right BEFORE you go to the Police and report him for FRAUD and go to the DMV to alert them of a suspicious seller of damaged (unsafe) vehicles.

If he is innocent of knowing about the damage, he will give you your money back.
If he is guilty, he will WANT to give you back your money to keep the Police from knocking on his door.

Keep in mind also that you will NOT be able to sell that bike for what you have in it. Not even close.

You could go visit the Police and, keeping the seller's name out, discuss what they recommend you do to get your money back.
I had a "situation" and after talking with a nice lady cop she offered to accompany me. That made a big difference.
The advice "talk softly and carry a big stick" came to mind.
No charges made, no problem for anyone, but the other person knew he was now on the Police radar.

Just a few more thoughts for your rotten situation.
we want to help any way we can...

no stress there, bolts will come right out (motor mount). from what I can figure, it was straightened ok but not perfect, im not out a shit load of money on the bike, 3300.00. which would have been a good deal, but now the bike is not worth that in this condition, nor would I have bought it. I think the steering head is a couple degrees out of plumb, like someone said, probably not a big deal with knobbies and dual sporting but would not be good for super moto or curve carving.

the guy will not return my text or a stern voice mail with me asking for an explanation. he knew

most likely ill put it back together and sell it to one of u guys and wait for u to discover the totaled frame.

just kidding.....I think ill stiffen up the bent backbone with some pipe cut in half, trick it all out with my stuff, go to Utah in June, and ride the shit out of it. ( tat Utah section to Nevada and back). ill be looking for a silver frame and swap everything out over the winter. used frame that is, ( new frame 1600.00)

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Old 04-29-2013, 12:25 AM   #76207
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it will be noisy and a little down on power. By having more clearance the valve is not opening as much. I have never done it on a bike but if we put too big of a cam in a boat motor we have put more clearance on the rockers with no issues. I can't imagine a bike being any different. Really if you think about it the exhaust are set at .2mm and there is no problems. They usually run less on the intake just because it doesn't get as hot and expand as much.

I always use my rear wheel to find TDC- I worry about breaking that dang cap. Makes it a little easier if someone spins the wheel so you can watch valves and TDC marks.

Good luck!
Thanks for the quick reply. I spun the wheels and got it adjusted properly.

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They are a fair bit loose and will hammer the tappet screws and valve stems more as a result. Will it cause any damage, dunno. But revving it will make it worse.

I did the valves on a mates bike the other day. We suspect it was the first time they'd been looked at at 20,000 kms. The inlets were both loose and needed tightening up, and 1 exhaust was loose too. Much quieter now. Were they originally this loose, or did they loosen over time, dunno.

FWIW, I posted this a while back, its how I do the valves:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=371
Thanks for the informative link. Good to know about spinning in the wheel in 5th gear. I got it adjusted and she's happy now

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Jay:
No one has mentioned the acceleration and deceleration ramps on the cam lobes. They're cut to lift and close the valves gently. If your clearances are too loose, the valves are getting slammed open and dropped shut. I'd redo them.
I wish I was there and you were here.
Yup, figured best to redo it and got it done. Sounding much better now
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:46 AM   #76208
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Cool2 About sanDRina, a 1998 Suzuki DR650 in Adventure Spec

April 29, 2013

Here's a video detailing why I chose the Suzuki DR650 as my bike of choice for my three-year motorcycle journey from Chicago to Delhi and then specifically, what are all the features on sanDRina that bring her up to Adventure Spec

Details on Aqualine Safari Tank, Pivot Pegz, WER Steering Stabilizer, Fork Brace, Happy Trails Panniers, Vapor Dash Computer, Galfer Rotors, Answer Handlebar, Ricoh Intiminator, Touratech GPS Mount, Vision X LED Lights, Suzuki GSX-R1000 Titanium Exhaust, Scotts Stainless Steel Oil Filter and more...



(this video was shot before I properly set the valves, so they sound really loud )

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Old 04-29-2013, 07:54 AM   #76209
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no stress there, bolts will come right out (motor mount). from what I can figure, it was straightened ok but not perfect, im not out a shit load of money on the bike, 3300.00. which would have been a good deal, but now the bike is not worth that in this condition, nor would I have bought it. I think the steering head is a couple degrees out of plumb, like someone said, probably not a big deal with knobbies and dual sporting but would not be good for super moto or curve carving.

the guy will not return my text or a stern voice mail with me asking for an explanation. he knew

most likely ill put it back together and sell it to one of u guys and wait for u to discover the totaled frame.

just kidding.....I think ill stiffen up the bent backbone with some pipe cut in half, trick it all out with my stuff, go to Utah in June, and ride the shit out of it. ( tat Utah section to Nevada and back). ill be looking for a silver frame and swap everything out over the winter. used frame that is, ( new frame 1600.00)

win some, lose some.........josh, if your on this forum (don't know if he is an inmate)....go f yourself
As for me,I wouldnt ride a bike with a frame that looked like that. The thought of a frame breaking and being crooked to start with is not a good one.
It had to be REALLY bent to have to make the backbone look like that to sorta straighten it.
Going by his place with a cop in tow would be fun.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:04 AM   #76210
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Some interesting comments about the Bent frame. Shame.
But there are specialists who can straighten frames properly. We have a guy out here in Sacramento, California called The Frame Man. He mostly straightens bent race bikes. Impressive results.

Using Laser alignment, specialized Jigs and hydraulic presses ... those guys have straightened up hundreds of wasted bikes. These specialists are rare, no idea if the OP has any such shops in his region, but might be worth it to look around.

In normal circumstances ... as mentioned ... that frame would be junked. But if the buyer is over a barrel money wise, then straightening might be solution?

If the steering is off it could be simply tweaked forks (easily fixed in 5 minutes) or tweaked rubber dampers below the bar mounts on top triple clamp. Also easy fix ... just push them the opposite way. Bent bars are rare
but with the crash that bike was in, certainly possible. Bars are cheap.
Replace if needed.

If after the forks are straightened (just loosen clamps and tighten back up) and bars are straight in dampers, the bike still is "off" when riding, then its likely the FRAME is not straight.

Weird handling is the other obvious tell tale. Handling should be 100%
neutral. If not ?? ... well, do what you can to fix it.
I have a feeling if the Frame Man looked at that frame he would pass as its destroyed/kinked/badly straightened already.
Its a total not a slightly bent frame, and every weld and tube on the rest of it would be suspect. Considering how cheap a DR can be had with a blown engine its not worth it trying to save that frame.
Its a 400 lb bike,that frame could easily come apart elsewhere.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:05 AM   #76211
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What's been done to that frame has created weak points and places where the frame will crumple in a much lower impact. Stiffening that area may or may not be a good idea, but ultimately it will need to be replaced. Even at $1600 for a new frame that's not too much money for a 2011 with only ~3000 miles.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:17 AM   #76212
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the guy will not return my text or a stern voice mail with me asking for an explanation. he knew
I'd be getting in touch with law enforcement. Probably Motor Vehicle Dept.

Sue in small claims court if you must. This was fraud, and if you sell the bike in this condition, without disclosure you will be the one who gets sued.

You were sold a vehicle that is "unfit" for safe operation. Get your money back by whatever means necessary. Or at least enough for a new frame + time spent swapping it.

Best of luck.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:22 AM   #76213
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quick plug for Chaingang sprockets from australia. the following photos are from my DR after 36 000km most of it through rain, mud, sand and rocks on a fully loaded RTW DR that had a pretty average maintenance routine. also ive got a set of brand new sprockets from chaingang over in the flea market (ordered 525 like an idiot when i wanted 520, no selling the 525s so i can afford some 520s).




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Old 04-29-2013, 08:42 AM   #76214
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As for me,I wouldnt ride a bike with a frame that looked like that. The thought of a frame breaking and being crooked to start with is not a good one.
It had to be REALLY bent to have to make the backbone look like that to sorta straighten it.
Going by his place with a cop in tow would be fun.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't trust that frame at all no matter how much bracing was added.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:55 AM   #76215
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josh, if your on this forum (don't know if he is an inmate)....go f yourself
Like the others have said. Contact the law, keep after him, never let a thief get away with it. What if that insufficient repair had led to catastrophic failure?
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