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Old 06-19-2013, 11:23 AM   #77701
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I've got the D700's on my DR650 and had the 244s' on my WR250R. I figured i'd be doing more street duty on the DR650 and thought the 700's would give me better life and better street performance with maybe a bit less dirt.

IMOP, the 700's & 244's are not even close. You would think they would be looking at them and that's what I thought, but I was totally wrong. The 700's suck off road compared to the 244's. In gravel they are not nearly as confidence inspiring and they are down right scary in the mud. They also let go with little to no warning. The 700's have a very 'soft' sidewall tire and therefore airing down makes the street ride horrible and really doesn't gain you much on the dirt so you end up leaving them aired up all the time. The 244's are a nice compromise between full on knobby's and still having decent street performance. You can run them at various pressures and they still handle very well.

I've also found the 700's are wearing very quickly on the road and probably not lasting near as long as the 244's even though I've played off road a lot more on the 244's. The 700's actually feel really good on the road, but that's about the only positive I can give them. Between the horrible off road performance and probably under 2500 miles on the rear, I'd either run the 244's if I wanted a 50/50 tire or the 705 if I wanted something a bit more street oriented.

I can't wait to get these crappy 700's off my DR650.
Thanks for the comprehensive review of the Shinko 700's vs. the Shinko 244. I'd read a few very good reviews here in the past on the 700 ... and was thinking they were pretty good tires. But I've never used them ... and now I'm glad I went with the 244's.

Anyone have anything GOOD to say to counter this review of the 700?

The 244's get good reviews on many forums, not just DR650 riders. For more paved road use I like the 705's, Anakee or Distanzia. For pure dirt I like a real knobby front and rear. But for most Dual Sport I'm thinking a 244 rear tire will do the job paired with a good knobby front tire. (TKC, T63, IRC, or D606)

The 244's look to be the perfect travel tire for me. Inexpensive and last pretty well. So far I've done almost ALL on road on my 244. Will report on mileage in future!
Thanks again!
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:37 AM   #77702
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I've got the DirtRacks soft bag luggage racks and rear rack and very happy with the quality. Ordered the Wolfman Expedition bags today and will use the "other rack" mounts. Should mount up nice and level. I'll post picks when it's all good to go.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:01 PM   #77703
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?

Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?


Thank you for your thoughts.

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Old 06-19-2013, 12:07 PM   #77704
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I've got the DirtRacks soft bag luggage racks and rear rack and very happy with the quality. Ordered the Wolfman Expedition bags today and will use the "other rack" mounts. Should mount up nice and level. I'll post picks when it's all good to go.
I can save you the trouble.



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Old 06-19-2013, 12:11 PM   #77705
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?
We put about 100,000 kms on a 2002 F650GS and it never let us down, but it was heavy, slow, low, and expensive to maintain.

Then I had an R1150GS for 104,000 kms, a F800GS for 80,000 kms, and now I've got the DR650, and as happy with it as I was with any of the others. Except it cost me far less, is more fun to ride, and is much cheaper to buy parts for. And, I can do my own maintenance without requiring shims for the valves, and a computer to tell me what's wrong with it.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:19 PM   #77706
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I can save you the trouble.



Looks sweet! I also have the Wolfman enduro tank bag and large expedition duffle coming too. I'm planning on putting some serious miles on this bike every summer so these farkles will really be nice to have.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:46 PM   #77707
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650. I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more. I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think? Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?
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A paid $5,499 for my 2012 a year ago. I knew the dealer so your's not a bad price depending on what they want to tack on it for dealer prep and shipping.
Tell them you want a 2013 at that price just to see what they say. Same bike but it will be one year newer if you want to ever (probably not) sell it...
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:02 PM   #77708
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$5,599 is what I paid for my leftover '12. Had 1 mile on it when I rode it home. Keep in mind that once you get it home you'll do the following:

New Seat: $300 +
Side & Rear Racks: $200 +
Luggage: $250 +
Windscreen: $100 +


But that's part of the fun of the DR. Make it yours!!
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:09 PM   #77709
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i had the exact same experience with the Shinko 700s.
others have confirmed this too.

they are old Kings mold tires. they look like they would do well in the dirt but i think all the off-angle knob edges just spin but do not bite the dirt. also the 700 wore way too fast.

the 244 knobs are squared off to the dirt and bite very well. Shinko says the 700 is a heavy duty tire but i'm not seeing it. 244 last much longer than 700s. 244 rear with an IRC TR8 is my long-lasting & even wear out 50/50 dual sport combo of choice. from MSS $60 for the 244 and $65 for the TR8, so $125 shipped for the set!

...I've done a TKC-80 front ($117) & Mefo Explorer rear ($145) or $262 combo. NOT worth over over 2x the price these days IMO. the TR8 works & lasts just like the TCK-80 and the Mefo is NOT getting 2x the life of the 244 yet is more than 2x the price. When the Mefo was $100 way back when it was worth it.

TR8/244 rules for DR dual-sport riding!

Still crossing my fingers that Mitas can come through with 130-17" E07 rear in the US around the $95-100 mark.
They are hitting that in many other countries and that rear has an awesome reputation for grip and long life.

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I've got the D700's on my DR650 and had the 244s' on my WR250R. I figured i'd be doing more street duty on the DR650 and thought the 700's would give me better life and better street performance with maybe a bit less dirt.

IMOP, the 700's & 244's are not even close. You would think they would be looking at them and that's what I thought, but I was totally wrong. The 700's suck off road compared to the 244's. In gravel they are not nearly as confidence inspiring and they are down right scary in the mud. They also let go with little to no warning. The 700's have a very 'soft' sidewall tire and therefore airing down makes the street ride horrible and really doesn't gain you much on the dirt so you end up leaving them aired up all the time. The 244's are a nice compromise between full on knobby's and still having decent street performance. You can run them at various pressures and they still handle very well.

I've also found the 700's are wearing very quickly on the road and probably not lasting near as long as the 244's even though I've played off road a lot more on the 244's. The 700's actually feel really good on the road, but that's about the only positive I can give them. Between the horrible off road performance and probably under 2500 miles on the rear, I'd either run the 244's if I wanted a 50/50 tire or the 705 if I wanted something a bit more street oriented.

I can't wait to get these crappy 700's off my DR650.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:14 PM   #77710
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?

Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?


Thank you for your thoughts.

Fred
hey Fred,
Have you ridden either bike? I would never trust forums to make your buying decision. I'd ride both bikes, see which one works for you.
Are you looking at a NEW BMW G650 single? Or a used F650 version? Or?

Also check out the BMW G650 Sertao ... but the most interesting bikes out there now (for me) are the new Husqvarna Terra and Strada ( both BMW made) . These bikes are very good value and deals are out there NOW. They compare well to the DR650 ... and not much more money.
But they won't be around long.

If, after some test rides, you decide on the DR650 ... I'd go for a nice used one. Year or two old maybe? Find one with some extras. You could save over $2000 from new price. Most DR's level off at around $3500 and don't drop too much below that unless very old and/or high miles.

Good luck. Enjoy your shopping!
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:15 PM   #77711
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?

Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?


Thank you for your thoughts.

Fred
I'd buy a DR and use the extra $ over the GS for upgrades.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:19 PM   #77712
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TR8/244 rules for DR dual-sport riding!
That new IRC TR-8 will be my next front tire. I remember you mentioned it months ago. I've not been dirt riding my DR at all lately so my current knobby fronts are still more or less OK. But the IRC will be next up! Thanks again for the Tip!
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:28 PM   #77713
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I think the US does get the Heidenau K60 and Mefo Explorer.
indeed that is true.
Heidi and Mefo are German and $140-$150 a rear.
Mitas is eastern Euro/Czech Republic and in other markets come in a bit cheaper.
The E07 rear is a highly regarded high-mileage dual-sport tire.
It's a very similar design as the well known mefo explorer

i've exchanged many emails back and forth with one of the Mitas exec, Juri.
he keeps saying with Mitas' purchase of Savatech (another tire mfg those in the US have never heard of) they will have US distribution in places for Mitas and Savatech tires. we will see. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706242

this is new


this is how they can push towards 10K miles.
harder rubber compound plus a center wear bar (in the 130 size) that fully engages at the end of tire life and gets you extra miles when you need it...think touring and i need to make that much farther.
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:47 PM   #77714
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Thanks everyone I have ridden the DR but not the GS .
DR height wise feels like the Wee.
Ride wise feels like a bigger Xt.

And I know I have to get some farkles but that's the fun part.

Anyone else want to chime in?

thanks

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Old 06-19-2013, 03:09 PM   #77715
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Thanks everyone I have ridden the DR but not the GS .
DR height wise feels like the Wee.
Ride wise feels like a bigger Xt.

And I know I have to get some farkles but that's the fun part.

Anyone else want to chime in?

thanks

Fred
Here's a link to Adam Lewis's (JediMaster) blog about his world wide motorcycle adventures: http://shortwayround.co.uk/

He began his journey on a F650, but later switched to the DR650. Be sure to check out his section about bike prep. Lots of great info there about what worked for him and what didn't. Good stuff.
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