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Old 06-19-2013, 10:45 AM   #77701
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I know someone running them right now on a DR, I'll send him your information.
That would be me. Thanks for the heads up ER70S-2
I just replaced them after about 4000 miles. I did not find them terrible on the street but not much better than the Bridgestones that came with the bike. In the dirt they seemed a bit better than the Trailwings but nothing to get excited about.

I figured that was just the trade off with any 50/50. For some reason I was feeling flush and spent a bit more for the replacments. I went with a TKC for the front - seems to have good rep for very good dirt manners and acceptable road ability - downside being relatively short life. We will see.

To be a little more economical I put a Michelin T63 on the rear - it is round and black, even if a bit more $$$ than the 244... alright 2X .
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:10 AM   #77702
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So some pages back I posed a question about luggage options for the DR. This was my problem.



So after buying the Promoto Billet saddle bag guards to go with my rack and trying many different bag placements I set off on a 600 mile ride. Got home with a melted right side cover and burnt bag. (I didn't set off with the bags looking like this by the way..) At least the bags were free to me! So for a solution I went this route.
Well, can't say I didn't WARN YOU!
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Hey Terry,
Seems to me the Suzuki grab handles could interfere with the guards and could make hanging panniers a challenge. I've used several different set ups on my DR. Do you have pics of your re-located turn signals? possibly CUT off the grab handles? Really all depends on WHICH panniers you use and how you chose to hang them.

I have the Suzuki rear rack which has the signals more rearward and no grab handles.
The PMB guard on the RIGHT side may not cover enough if your bag hangs down too far ... that muffler gets pretty HOT! If you use a small pannier that stays UP very high, may be OK. My panniers ride lower and more forward. (I have 3 different sets of panniers, ones shown are pretty BIG. so YMMV on this.)
The LEFT side PMB looks OK but the signal and grab bar may be in the way of pannier bag?

Here are a few pics of my right side Happy Trails rack ... and my home made left side guard ... which is just elec. conduit. My set up is very funky ... I am not a craftsman ... but this set up has worked during 50,000 miles of hard use both ON and OFF road with a fully loaded DR650.

No real surprise you had problems. Your bags are hanging on their all cockamamie ... best to have them straight and in alignment ... and at the correct height and proper front to back placement. As you load your right side bag ... it will press in hard on your HOT pipe and will crush your plastic (and expensive) side panel onto the hot pipe. The bag too will melt, as you found out. Give your bags some clearance and get them to hand straight.
Looks neater, works better. No fires. (I've had my share)

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Dirtracks.com racks and Nelson-Rigg adventure dry bags. I really wanted the Wolfman setup. I just couldn't get over the price. So for less then $200 bucks all in this is what I got. First impressions of the Racks is that they are pretty sturdy. The Nelson Riggs lack some of the features of the Wolfmans..ie quick removal from the racks etc. They do have a lifetime warranty though. They're spacious and seem tough. We will see after the next adventure.
I don't like the look of those bags ... and their still not hung properly.
Once loaded heavy they may create problems on rough roads.
Good luck!
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:22 AM   #77703
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That would be me. Thanks for the heads up ER70S-2
I just replaced them after about 4000 miles. I did not find them terrible on the street but not much better than the Bridgestones that came with the bike. In the dirt they seemed a bit better than the Trailwings but nothing to get excited about.

I figured that was just the trade off with any 50/50. For some reason I was feeling flush and spent a bit more for the replacments. I went with a TKC for the front - seems to have good rep for very good dirt manners and acceptable road ability - downside being relatively short life. We will see.

To be a little more economical I put a Michelin T63 on the rear - it is round and black, even if a bit more $$$ than the 244... alright 2X .
Yeah, I can't complain about the D700's on the street as they actually handle fairly well there as long as you have decent air pressure in them. I just think they wear pretty quickly compared to many other street tires yet don't really do that much better off road compared to basic street tires. I was just expecting better off road performance and it wasn't there. Not even in the 50/50 range. Probably more in the 70/30 to 80/20 range to on/off road as long as its dry.

The TKC as a front tire is actually not bad on the street and wears longer than you would expect. It's definitely a decent dirt tire too. Right now on my Vstrom 650, I'm running a TKC front with the Heidenau K60 rear. Its an awesome setup that works both great on & off road. I just go back from 800 miles playing around the E. TN & W. NC riding the BRP, the Dragon, Skyway, and many other roads and I'm very impressed with this setup. The T63 is another fast wearing knobby on bigger bikes, but still a decent tire both on/off road. I'm curious to hear how it does for you on the back of the DR650.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:23 AM   #77704
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I've got the D700's on my DR650 and had the 244s' on my WR250R. I figured i'd be doing more street duty on the DR650 and thought the 700's would give me better life and better street performance with maybe a bit less dirt.

IMOP, the 700's & 244's are not even close. You would think they would be looking at them and that's what I thought, but I was totally wrong. The 700's suck off road compared to the 244's. In gravel they are not nearly as confidence inspiring and they are down right scary in the mud. They also let go with little to no warning. The 700's have a very 'soft' sidewall tire and therefore airing down makes the street ride horrible and really doesn't gain you much on the dirt so you end up leaving them aired up all the time. The 244's are a nice compromise between full on knobby's and still having decent street performance. You can run them at various pressures and they still handle very well.

I've also found the 700's are wearing very quickly on the road and probably not lasting near as long as the 244's even though I've played off road a lot more on the 244's. The 700's actually feel really good on the road, but that's about the only positive I can give them. Between the horrible off road performance and probably under 2500 miles on the rear, I'd either run the 244's if I wanted a 50/50 tire or the 705 if I wanted something a bit more street oriented.

I can't wait to get these crappy 700's off my DR650.
Thanks for the comprehensive review of the Shinko 700's vs. the Shinko 244. I'd read a few very good reviews here in the past on the 700 ... and was thinking they were pretty good tires. But I've never used them ... and now I'm glad I went with the 244's.

Anyone have anything GOOD to say to counter this review of the 700?

The 244's get good reviews on many forums, not just DR650 riders. For more paved road use I like the 705's, Anakee or Distanzia. For pure dirt I like a real knobby front and rear. But for most Dual Sport I'm thinking a 244 rear tire will do the job paired with a good knobby front tire. (TKC, T63, IRC, or D606)

The 244's look to be the perfect travel tire for me. Inexpensive and last pretty well. So far I've done almost ALL on road on my 244. Will report on mileage in future!
Thanks again!
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:37 AM   #77705
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I've got the DirtRacks soft bag luggage racks and rear rack and very happy with the quality. Ordered the Wolfman Expedition bags today and will use the "other rack" mounts. Should mount up nice and level. I'll post picks when it's all good to go.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:01 PM   #77706
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What Do You Think

Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?

Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?


Thank you for your thoughts.

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Old 06-19-2013, 12:07 PM   #77707
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I've got the DirtRacks soft bag luggage racks and rear rack and very happy with the quality. Ordered the Wolfman Expedition bags today and will use the "other rack" mounts. Should mount up nice and level. I'll post picks when it's all good to go.
I can save you the trouble.



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Old 06-19-2013, 12:11 PM   #77708
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?
We put about 100,000 kms on a 2002 F650GS and it never let us down, but it was heavy, slow, low, and expensive to maintain.

Then I had an R1150GS for 104,000 kms, a F800GS for 80,000 kms, and now I've got the DR650, and as happy with it as I was with any of the others. Except it cost me far less, is more fun to ride, and is much cheaper to buy parts for. And, I can do my own maintenance without requiring shims for the valves, and a computer to tell me what's wrong with it.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:19 PM   #77709
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I can save you the trouble.



Looks sweet! I also have the Wolfman enduro tank bag and large expedition duffle coming too. I'm planning on putting some serious miles on this bike every summer so these farkles will really be nice to have.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:46 PM   #77710
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650. I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more. I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think? Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?
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A paid $5,499 for my 2012 a year ago. I knew the dealer so your's not a bad price depending on what they want to tack on it for dealer prep and shipping.
Tell them you want a 2013 at that price just to see what they say. Same bike but it will be one year newer if you want to ever (probably not) sell it...
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:02 PM   #77711
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$5,599 is what I paid for my leftover '12. Had 1 mile on it when I rode it home. Keep in mind that once you get it home you'll do the following:

New Seat: $300 +
Side & Rear Racks: $200 +
Luggage: $250 +
Windscreen: $100 +


But that's part of the fun of the DR. Make it yours!!
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:09 PM   #77712
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i had the exact same experience with the Shinko 700s.
others have confirmed this too.

they are old Kings mold tires. they look like they would do well in the dirt but i think all the off-angle knob edges just spin but do not bite the dirt. also the 700 wore way too fast.

the 244 knobs are squared off to the dirt and bite very well. Shinko says the 700 is a heavy duty tire but i'm not seeing it. 244 last much longer than 700s. 244 rear with an IRC TR8 is my long-lasting & even wear out 50/50 dual sport combo of choice. from MSS $60 for the 244 and $65 for the TR8, so $125 shipped for the set!

...I've done a TKC-80 front ($117) & Mefo Explorer rear ($145) or $262 combo. NOT worth over over 2x the price these days IMO. the TR8 works & lasts just like the TCK-80 and the Mefo is NOT getting 2x the life of the 244 yet is more than 2x the price. When the Mefo was $100 way back when it was worth it.

TR8/244 rules for DR dual-sport riding!

Still crossing my fingers that Mitas can come through with 130-17" E07 rear in the US around the $95-100 mark.
They are hitting that in many other countries and that rear has an awesome reputation for grip and long life.

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I've got the D700's on my DR650 and had the 244s' on my WR250R. I figured i'd be doing more street duty on the DR650 and thought the 700's would give me better life and better street performance with maybe a bit less dirt.

IMOP, the 700's & 244's are not even close. You would think they would be looking at them and that's what I thought, but I was totally wrong. The 700's suck off road compared to the 244's. In gravel they are not nearly as confidence inspiring and they are down right scary in the mud. They also let go with little to no warning. The 700's have a very 'soft' sidewall tire and therefore airing down makes the street ride horrible and really doesn't gain you much on the dirt so you end up leaving them aired up all the time. The 244's are a nice compromise between full on knobby's and still having decent street performance. You can run them at various pressures and they still handle very well.

I've also found the 700's are wearing very quickly on the road and probably not lasting near as long as the 244's even though I've played off road a lot more on the 244's. The 700's actually feel really good on the road, but that's about the only positive I can give them. Between the horrible off road performance and probably under 2500 miles on the rear, I'd either run the 244's if I wanted a 50/50 tire or the 705 if I wanted something a bit more street oriented.

I can't wait to get these crappy 700's off my DR650.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:14 PM   #77713
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?

Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?


Thank you for your thoughts.

Fred
hey Fred,
Have you ridden either bike? I would never trust forums to make your buying decision. I'd ride both bikes, see which one works for you.
Are you looking at a NEW BMW G650 single? Or a used F650 version? Or?

Also check out the BMW G650 Sertao ... but the most interesting bikes out there now (for me) are the new Husqvarna Terra and Strada ( both BMW made) . These bikes are very good value and deals are out there NOW. They compare well to the DR650 ... and not much more money.
But they won't be around long.

If, after some test rides, you decide on the DR650 ... I'd go for a nice used one. Year or two old maybe? Find one with some extras. You could save over $2000 from new price. Most DR's level off at around $3500 and don't drop too much below that unless very old and/or high miles.

Good luck. Enjoy your shopping!
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:15 PM   #77714
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Going back and forth on a BMW 650 GS and the DR 650.

BMW looks like a cool ride more money then the DR.
DR cheaper been out there forever lots of aftermarket stuff for it.

BMW must have a no dicker sticker at least the dealer in KY.
I found a 2012 DR for $5599 0 miles and I think I can talk them down a little more.

I am kinda leaning towards the DR you probably can tell what do you think?

Price about right or what would be a good price for 2012?


Thank you for your thoughts.

Fred
I'd buy a DR and use the extra $ over the GS for upgrades.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:19 PM   #77715
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TR8/244 rules for DR dual-sport riding!
That new IRC TR-8 will be my next front tire. I remember you mentioned it months ago. I've not been dirt riding my DR at all lately so my current knobby fronts are still more or less OK. But the IRC will be next up! Thanks again for the Tip!
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