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Old 06-20-2013, 03:24 AM   #77761
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6'3 185 lbs, plan on riding single track in my backyard with the nephews (going very slow). ADV rides which will consist of 40% gravel and dirt roads, 30% highway and 30% single/jeep trails. Planning numerous 2-3 day rides which means I will be packing my gear (~30lbs) doing the above type riding.

Owned a 2005 KLR and did a few weekend rides. My opinion was it was too big, heavy and lethargic.

Budget is ~$3500.

Shooting from the hip, DRZ400, DR650 or be patient and find a TE610?
IMO the DRZ400 is a better dirt bike but the DR650 is a better all round bike. The 400 is a bit busy for any distance travel.

A friend is selling a primo TE610 with an extra set of wheels but it's in NE Tennessee, a long way from Kansas City and a few hundred more than your budget. PM me if you want contact info.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:58 AM   #77762
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Hmmm...
I wonder what the unbiased participants in this thread will suggest...

I'll start.

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At 6'3" you may be inclined to either lower the pegs or get a "tall" seat ... or both? The DR650 feels quite a bit smaller ... and LIGHTER than a KLR.
(I've owned both). It's also a better trail bike and handles better ON and OFF road, IMHO. But a very well set up KLR can be much better than a stock one. Same with a good DR ... so much better than stock. Nothing but money.

It needs a better seat and upgraded suspension to be it's best. Still may not match the 610/630 or Terra in a race, but I guarantee the DR will get there without mechanical issues ... and for the next five years.
Also, MUCH better on highway at a steady 75 mph for 10 hours a day.

Good gravel/dirt road handler, slides OK in flat track mode. Fair trail bike.
Packs up better than the KLR .... no broken bolts or sub frames.
Way stronger than the 610 but not as much fun when Roosting.
Thanks for the info. I'm still concerned about it's single track performance. Even if I am going slow, I know there will be some evenings I want to go light up the trails.

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IMO the DRZ400 is a better dirt bike but the DR650 is a better all round bike. The 400 is a bit busy for any distance travel.

A friend is selling a primo TE610 with an extra set of wheels but it's in NE Tennessee, a long way from Kansas City and a few hundred more than your budget. PM me if you want contact info.
I'm leaning towards the DRZ just a bit due to it's off road ability and seat height. Any thoughts on the new(ish) wide aftermarket gear set you can add?

Also, send me some info on that te610, if you don't mind. Thanks.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:07 AM   #77763
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I see you also have the side cover tab outside the normal location, inside the rear fender piece. Was that necessary for clearance?
No, just lazy.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:32 AM   #77764
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:11 AM   #77765
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Sorry for the dumb question;

This is going up for sale, but I dont know how to read the spring rate.

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Old 06-20-2013, 08:31 AM   #77766
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You can say the DR650 feels nimble, especially compared to bigger ADV bikes. It's certainly more trail capable than any heavier bike. But it only feels nimble until it doesn't, then if feels like an anvil. So upright and rolling, as long as you can pick and stick to your line, it works great. Combine steep with loose or large anything (like rocks, ruts, roots etc.) and you'll want more choices than what single track offers. I figure mine is a good trail bike, as long as it's a jeep or ATV trail.

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Posed the same question in the DRZ thread!



Thanks for the info. I'm still concerned about it's single track performance. Even if I am going slow, I know there will be some evenings I want to go light up the trails.



I'm leaning towards the DRZ just a bit due to it's off road ability and seat height. Any thoughts on the new(ish) wide aftermarket gear set you can add?

Also, send me some info on that te610, if you don't mind. Thanks.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:19 AM   #77767
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You can say the DR650 feels nimble, especially compared to bigger ADV bikes. It's certainly more trail capable than any heavier bike. But it only feels nimble until it doesn't, then if feels like an anvil. So upright and rolling, as long as you can pick and stick to your line, it works great. Combine steep with loose or large anything (like rocks, ruts, roots etc.) and you'll want more choices than what single track offers. I figure mine is a good trail bike, as long as it's a jeep or ATV trail.
+1

My DR reached out and touched someone. (me) I was standing on the pegs going down a loose rock jeep road. (think softball - bowling balls) The front suspension (I have emulators and .47 springs) did some weird boingo and the bike was in the air, on it's side and promptly landed frame first on my ankle and a rock, in that order. Ow! Big purple bruise that still is tender a month later.

This is the first time it's really pulled something like that, but it's made me a bit gun-shy. It was my fault for trying to keep up with plated racebikes
( XR650R & a KTM)in that section. Know the bike's limits and it's a fantastic bike.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:40 AM   #77768
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You can say the DR650 feels nimble, especially compared to bigger ADV bikes. It's certainly more trail capable than any heavier bike. But it only feels nimble until it doesn't, then if feels like an anvil. So upright and rolling, as long as you can pick and stick to your line, it works great. Combine steep with loose or large anything (like rocks, ruts, roots etc.) and you'll want more choices than what single track offers. I figure mine is a good trail bike, as long as it's a jeep or ATV trail.
IMO, the above is a pretty accurate summation of the DR650's ability on technical single track. Bottom line is: It ain't great. For me, at 65, it's a handful. 20 years ago I might have been able to handle it. These days I take it easy or avoid such trails.

A talented rider could make the DR650 work in very tough conditions. We see this with our Brothers Down Under. These young guys are super talented. But for more average non competitive riders the DR can be a handful in super steep, loose, muddy or generally knarly single track.

These days I can barely make such trails on my little WR250F ... the DR is simply beyond my skill level in tough conditions.

In the Desert, the DR650 does better. (at least for me). With the right tires it seems to plow through deep sand pretty well. I suck as a sand rider ... so if I can do it, I'm guessing most average riders can too.

But on open two track, Desert tracks and fast dirt roads the DR650 is awesome.
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Old 06-20-2013, 10:48 AM   #77769
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Yea, someone like Rolf Tibblin. Big, tough and talented.

I even got to train with him but I had no illusions about wrangling a heavy, poorly suspended bike around a motocross track. For some reason, maybe 1970 or 71, the shop I rode for wanted me to promote a BSA Victor 441 at a local motocross. I was leery and took it out for a test ride. After a few tentative laps I decided to see what it could do. I promptly learned it could thrash me like a rag doll. That beast gave me the worst neck snapping, shoulder wrenching tank slapper thrashing ever. Scarred me bad. Once I got it shut down I cursed it and vowed to never ride such a monster again. Race it? Not a chance.

I really enjoy the DR650 but treat it with due respect.

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Old 06-20-2013, 11:20 AM   #77770
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:04 PM   #77771
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Sorry for the dumb question;

This is going up for sale, but I dont know how to read the spring rate.

Help

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Old 06-20-2013, 01:16 PM   #77772
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Heads up guys, someone posted a free (pay shipping) DR650 tank in the good karma thread.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:50 PM   #77773
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:22 PM   #77774
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I've ridden quite a bit of single track with my heavily modded DR650. I haven't set any land speed records on it but it sure trackers pretty well. My fears are long steep muddy climbs or drops, jumping logs and boulders. I've paid the price a few times on those biting off more than I could chew. All in all its a great compromise bike.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:15 PM   #77775
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A couple of new things on the DR650.

Screws that, beyond having to have an allen wrench, won't fuck with me as much as the stripped-heads of those funky Japanese phillips style bolts did:



Some case protection is better than none:



Still need a skid plate though.
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