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Old 07-04-2013, 11:18 AM   #78301
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Are the Suzuki factory seal retainers a 'bolt on' for older bikes? Just buy it and slide it in place without any machine work?
If so it would seem to be a quick and easy upgrade to consider. I have yet to lose a seal (on any bike) but riding a 'well oiled' rear tire has little appeal to me.


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Old 07-04-2013, 11:29 AM   #78302
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That point can't be repeated too often.

Many uninformed riders of F.I. bikes seem to think Fuel Injected bikes are immune to losing power at altitude. They are not. While their fuel mixture is maintained as altitude increases, they do lose power the same as ALL internal combustion engines do.

My Non Stock jetting did not work above 13K ft. but the most noticeable was loss of overall power ... which on the DR begins at about 7 or 8000 ft and gets worse the higher you go.
Forced induction (supercharged/turbocharged) motors, particularly those with fuel injection don't really lose much since the supercharger usually has excess cylinder filling capacity. Turbocharging plus water injection where mainstays for high altitude flight of WWII piston engine aircraft. Modern OTR trucks are usually super/turbocharged and they can really haul the mail over the high passes. That's probably not gonna help your DR650 though.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:39 AM   #78303
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Thanks so much for the link! $0.18 for 2 stainless washers to shim the stock needle up a bit and surge is totally cured!!! About 30 minutes and $0.18 and PROBLEM SOLVED!

I've never been one to make a bike overly rich.....I like the 60 mpg or so with this new 2012 and my previous 1996. I'll give you an update on what 2 small washers to shim the needle up will cost me in fuel mileage. I expect about 2-3 mpg but hopefully less.

PS- I left stock idle setting alone and stock main jet alone. 1 washer helped but didn't totally eliminate the surge....2 did the trick! I'll measure the thickness of the washers with micrometer tomorrow. Thanks again guys and gals!

Stainless washers were .028" thick each so I ended up shimming the needle .056" total. I think .040-.050 would do the trick too.

CV carbs DO compensate for altitude changes a little better (but not perfectly by any means). All around I like CV carbs.....just my nickels worth.

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Old 07-04-2013, 11:48 AM   #78304
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No one has figured out the 3rd gear issue. Lots of questions there, fewer absolute answers.
I believe ProCycle has a beefy third gear set for sale. It's pricey when used as a deterrent. The testimony I've read tells me the third gear issue grenades the engine. I wonder if I'll someday regret not putting in the set from ProCycle.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:10 PM   #78305
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I grew up in Minnesota and both weeks of summer up there are wonderful!
If only they were consecutive.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:11 PM   #78306
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Thanks for the welcome guys!
Coupla questions to start... just how common is this NSU thing I keep reading about? Bike has like 2600 miles on it. Don't know if it's been done on this bike or not. How worked up do I need to get? Neutral light works OK. The paper base gasket was changed out for the metal one according to the PO.
'Nother thing,,, no tools in the tool kit,,, so what size wrenches should I put in there? I'm thinking wrenches, screwdriver, fuses, zip ties and little roll of wire will stretch my wrenching abilities!
AND,,, will one of those PVC tool tubes fit in there or someplace else? I see Procycle has a steel one for sale,,, but $90 or so!
Thanks for the help!
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:18 PM   #78307
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I know that there are more than a couple of pictures in this thread showing the location and procedure but the search function is a bit lacking (for me anyway), try using Google and include 'advrider' in the topic. Someone may come up with a link shortly.
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The ADV search function is generally useless and has been for all the years I've been hanging around here. Googling a topic produces better results and an inmate furnishing a link () is best.
My Clymer's manual should arrive in the next few days so I can plan my attack.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:24 PM   #78308
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I was talking about people who toured out west. Their tour plan map had them going down interstates while in the mountains ie seeing Colorado from I-70 only. I've seen it enough to take notice it's common.

It's the screwed up US bigger is better mentality. They have 2 weeks and dammit they are going to visit all the western states. 2 weeks is barely enough for Colorado alone.

Not really sure you are talking about as far as why you live where you do? A bubble? As in everyone in the mountain states are just flipping houses or something??? That's just shallow-minded. People work hard everywhere they live. Some were born and raised in incredible place, but most chose to live where they do. It took sacrifices and effort like anything want in life. It's not fortune or luck that makes it happen, but determination and action. Many give up and stay where they are because that's all they know.
I agree with this. There is so much to see and I just don't think I could do two week trips and such. When you add weather it gets worse. I like being able to have time to just hang in one place and wait out weather, etc. I've seen guys taking trips from the lower 48 with only two weeks total. 4 days up 4 days back and a week in the state. I do get that people have families and work etc, but how do you enjoy such a timeline?
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:26 PM   #78309
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I believe ProCycle has a beefy third gear set for sale. It's pricey when used as a deterrent. The testimony I've read tells me the third gear issue grenades the engine. I wonder if I'll someday regret not putting in the set from ProCycle.
When you get time, go ahead and read about this Novo 3rd gear set from the UK. Or ask Jeff at Pro Cycle. Lots of info here and a list of some of the 3rd gear failures:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=424132

The fact is there is no definitive evidence ...yet ... proving the Novo gear will prevent a trans failure. The salient point I noticed in all this was when the very experienced owner of Novo in the UK said he saw no faults with the stock Suzuki 3rd gear ... or any indication that the gear box design was any way at fault for the failures. Sure, his billet gear replacement is stronger, but is it really going to end 3rd gear failures? More questions than answer on this one.
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:30 PM   #78310
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Nordie Banned? WTF!!

Anyone notice Nordie Boy has been banned? Anyone have any idea why?
Sure, he's a wise ass ... but come on mods. He's one of the most knowledgeable and experienced DR guys that's ever showed up here.
Give me a frickin' break!

I hope he makes it back!
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:49 PM   #78311
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Thanks for the welcome guys!
Coupla questions to start... just how common is this NSU thing I keep reading about? Bike has like 2600 miles on it. Don't know if it's been done on this bike or not. How worked up do I need to get? Neutral light works OK. The paper base gasket was changed out for the metal one according to the PO.
If one or both of the two NSU bolts falls out in can end in disaster ... or if you lead a charmed life, it will fall harmlessly into the bottom of the case to be fished out later. Most internal blow ups involve 3rd gear, but some could be from an errant NSU bolt floating around in there. The simple fix is to ask the PO of your bike if he addressed the problem, or pull off clutch side case and have a look in there. About a one hour job. If original NSU bolts are still there, then another hour or two to get in there and remove them, apply Loc Tite ... and button it all back up.

A TON of info on this thread, complete with pics and tutorials. Search and you will find.

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'Nother thing,,, no tools in the tool kit,,, so what size wrenches should I put in there? I'm thinking wrenches, screwdriver, fuses, zip ties and little roll of wire will stretch my wrenching abilities! AND,,, will one of those PVC tool tubes fit in there or someplace else? I see Procycle has a steel one for sale,,, but $90 or so! Thanks for the help!
Tool kits:
The stock tool kit is no great loss. Nothing in there is great. I've done my own kit to fit the bike and modify my kit depending on ride at hand. I also carry a nice Nut/Bolt/Washer and misc kit. Here are a couple iterations of what I've got:

Long range kit. Make sure you've got key tools for the DR, proper allens, breaker bar, telescoping magnet, valve core remover and valve core fishing tool, small socket set, tire tools, levers, bead breakers. Vise Grips, tape, electronic kit, two part Epoxy, Super Glue, patch kit, Rubber Cement, spare Master link and on and on. The more you ride and travel the better feel you'll get for what works for YOU in your tool kit.
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Old 07-04-2013, 03:57 PM   #78312
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I agree re: Nordi boy. I've never seen any thing he has done to deserve banishment.
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Old 07-04-2013, 03:59 PM   #78313
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I need to ride with 'Grifter, my one pair of rusty pliers isn't likely to help me much
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Old 07-04-2013, 04:00 PM   #78314
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Old 07-04-2013, 05:17 PM   #78315
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I agree re: Nordi boy. I've never seen any thing he has done to deserve banishment.
Over on DRRiders he said it was because he provided a link to the DR Wiki, which apparently has a link that is illegal, or something. Banned for a week I think he said.
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