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Old 07-11-2013, 11:44 AM   #78586
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I just got a letter I wrote published in this months Dirt Bike mag. They wrote an article a month ago putting down DR650's I had to set them straight. Called it a campus bike. Another ADV subscriber wrote them last month and used this forum as a reverence to also set them right. Don't put down a man's bike.

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Well other than the fact that I graduated about two decades before the DR650 was first produced I would have loved to have had it as a Campus Bike It would make a good one
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:04 PM   #78587
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If you don’t over lube your chain, cleaning them is unnecessary.

And even if you think cleaning a chain is a good idea, more often than not, and depending on technique, it promotes wear by forcing crud down past the side plates and between the rollers and pin, and can damage the O rings too.

Modern chains rarely need adjusting. Once they do, its normally time to spend $s
Good post mate!
But I believe in cleaning my chain. Lots depends what you use for a chain lube. If a rider is using a Sticky/Tacky type lube ... and riding off road ... that chain/sprockets will need cleaning.

If you never go off road, and use something like a "lite" Teflon type lube, then nothing much to clean.

When you clean you shouldn't be forcing anything past plates to damage X rings ... UNLESS you are using a Wire Brush! I use a soft cloth and some WD40. When I'm using Teflon lube, I get some grit on my chain. With Teflon I simply spray on more Teflon ... then wipe it down. All clean, Grit removed. Done. But it doesn't last long ... maybe 100 miles.

With 90 wt. gear oil on multiple day rides, 400 mile days, I spend a bit more time cleaning and sometimes use some WD40, Kerosene or even Diesel to speed things up. I don't soak it ... just enough to shine up chain and remove grit off chain and sprockets.
Takes less than 3 minutes. (including wiping down rear wheel)

Off road I don't use any lube at all during the riding day. At days end I clean and lube the chain. (if I'm in one piece and still conscious )

Great comments on adjusting chains, changing CS sprockets and checking for wear. A++++ !
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:10 PM   #78588
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New here I got a 2003 dr650 and I love it I've rode it a lot off road but I just got it registered and I need some good road tires I would like a 50/50 tire or maybe 70/30. I'm running a death wing up front and a Dunlop d606 in the rear the 606 is great in off road not the best on
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:14 PM   #78589
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They don't mean it in a good way. They were inferring that it wasn't their choice for an adventure bike.

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Old 07-11-2013, 12:24 PM   #78590
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I just got a letter I wrote published in this months Dirt Bike mag. They wrote an article a month ago putting down DR650's I had to set them straight. Called it a campus bike. Another ADV subscriber wrote them last month and used this forum as a reverence to also set them right. Don't put down a man's bike.

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Good job! I saw your letter in the mag. Dirt Bike has been on some kind of a KLR fetish where they had an article if not two each month about the wonders of the flacidly porcine grandiosly oversized beasts.
Not that there's anything wrong with being large.

They are dirtbike guys but dont seem aware of the following the DR has amongst those who actually want a 650 that works somewhat like a big dirtbike, yet still can do many miles of slab easily.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:30 PM   #78591
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This bit of info might save me from riding my bike to a starting point of TAT in CO. So, if I were to ship the bike out to Allied hub in Denver, I guess they'll hold it there until I pick it up? That would save me 1700 miles riding to CO.
Yes. It's the way to go. Makes it very easy. All your gear can go on the bike during transport as well.


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Old 07-11-2013, 12:34 PM   #78592
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They don't mean it in a good way. They were inferring that it wasn't their choice for an adventure bike.

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They are SO used to riding the newest bike of their choice with only the latest suspension mods and every farkle known to man delivered to their door and installed by their shop mechanic that they have no real use for a DR or KLR.

Why ride an economy bike when a 2014 690 needs testing? Or a 990,or the latest GS,newest Husaberg/KTM/BETA or what ever.
DR's are below their radar.

Magazine guys are a jaded lot and dont really identify with guys who have to buy their own bikes and even work on them themselves.
They are quickly bored and need a new shinier fix regularly.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:34 PM   #78593
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Yes, I've asked those questions to myself. If I can avoid riding long distance to/from both ends of the TAT, I guess my Sherpa will do fine and I don't need DR650. However, I wouldn't mind having a DR650 around to explore off road destinations in VA & WV, near my home. As far as riding the TAT solo, I don't think I'm experienced enough off road to attempt it solo.
Starting out and trying to learn riding tough off road on a DR650 is a mistake. It's a great bike but takes an experienced rider to make the TAT.
You could make it ... but it might not be all that much FUN! And having FUN is what it's all about.

Starting on a small, lightweight 250 will give you confidence straight away.
Confidence means FUN. Being able to relax and not DREAD the next tough section is a BIG PLUS ... and good reason to go with lighter trail capable bike. The Sherpa is OK, but IMO, there are BETTER choices.

I'm sure you've heard of the Yamaha WR250R and Kawasaki KLX250S.
Both out perform the heavier and poorly suspended Sherpa.

Used KLX's are priced reasonable, WR's are expensive but hold their value pretty well. In a year or so of trail riding on the 250 ... you may be ready to tackle the DR650. The DR is a GREAT road and travel bike. Could easily do the Cross Country portion on your trip (highway). The DR is also just fine on Two Track if not too rocky, muddy, or Steep. The TAT offers all those obstacles ... and it's why I vote NO on the DR for that ride as a Novice off road rider.

I've seen expert street riders with 30 years experience be totally, 100% put off dirt riding simply because they started off riding a BIG 650 Dual Sport. These guys just "assumed" a 650 was small! (compared to their R1200GS)

Many gave it up completely and have never come back to it. Why? Because they fell over, got hurt, we're afraid of the bike and were OUT OF CONTROL ... and had NO FUN.
If it's not FUN, why do it?
Experienced riders are used to being IN CONTROL .... and dirt riding, by it's nature, means you have to let go of all that and deal with everything being loose and disconnected and the bike moving around under you, a bit out of control. There is a learning curve which is more easily achieved on a small, light weight trail bike.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:39 PM   #78594
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Yes. It's the way to go. Makes it very easy. All your gear can go on the bike during transport as well.


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I hate to say it but I ride mine everywhere,its just part of the deal for me.

I can readily see how time can be saved by loading a bike into a van though.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:54 PM   #78595
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They are SO used to riding the newest bike of their choice with only the latest suspension mods and every farkle known to man delivered to their door and installed by their shop mechanic that they have no real use for a DR or KLR.

Why ride an economy bike when a 2014 690 needs testing? Or a 990,or the latest GS,newest Husaberg/KTM/BETA or what ever.
DR's are below their radar.

Magazine guys are a jaded lot and dont really identify with guys who have to buy their own bikes and even work on them themselves.
They are quickly bored and need a new shinier fix regularly.
Very true, especially staff at the Dirt Bike magazines. At City Bike (San Fran) we were a bit different. We embraced the DR (I attended the original product Launch in the Mojave in 1996) and our publisher owned two DR650's and supported the idea of low cost bikes for budget conscious riders. We lent out DR test bikes out to everyone ... no one could break them.

We even supported and sponsored some RTW travelers ... like Ted Simon and Greg Frasier ... and several more unknown riders. So not ALL mags are bad guys!

The shiny mag guys are jaded ... their purview is Race Bikes and the Moto Cross business (stress BUSINESS here) for the most part. Their demographic are ages 12 to 19. They just don't get ADV travel or exploring ... and it doesn't pay the bills either. Look at who there advertisers are. But there are ... thankfully, other mags ... and of course ADV rider.

The Dirt Bike mag guys rarely leave the L.A. area on a motorbike ... and never travel solo off road. If they go somewhere, it's in a $40,000 pick up truck on loan from Ford or Toyota. None ride on the street.

So, grain of Salt here. Don't take offense. Take heart and support mags like MCN. Editor Dave Searle has done specials all about the DR650 and understands LOTS of "Real" working man riders love this bike. He owns one and "gets" the DR 100%.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:07 PM   #78596
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I hate to say it but I ride mine everywhere,its just part of the deal for me.

I can readily see how time can be saved by loading a bike into a van though.
Yea, and it's all about time for me. I want quality time in the saddle. I go away with the same 3 guys every year for 2 weeks somewhere. Big 2,500 mile off road trips. And if we had to ride there from Joisey, then take the time to swap out tires and yad yada yada, well, it just wouldn't be possible. Our entire 2 weeks is on the planned route.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:21 PM   #78597
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Chain lube per BergDonk

"When lubing a chain, lube it on the inside of the run aiming towards the side plates each side to encourage lube to get down between the roller and pin. Then lube is centrifuged out between the side plate and rollers, and then some gets into the roller bush area. Lubing on the outside means some lube gets between the roller and sprocket teeth and the rest gets flung off"
Absolutely. I know this is true, because when my chain gets dry enough to kink, and I lube it in this manner, bingo! Kinks gone. Looking closely at the chain, I reasoned that space between the inner plate and roller was big enough to let oil in, and it would travel along the bushing, and centrifugal force would bring it back out in other places where it's needed.
PS: I don't often let my chain get dry enough to kink.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:29 PM   #78598
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Take heart and support mags like MCN. Editor Dave Searle has done specials all about the DR650 and understands LOTS of "Real" working man riders love this bike. He owns one and "gets" the DR 100%.
Ditto on this. That multi issue coverage instigated my son-in-laws purchase, followed by mine and then my sons.

Only moto mag I subscribe to. Agreed, Grifter, "business" has to be their focus or they won't be around.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:44 PM   #78599
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Very true, especially staff at the Dirt Bike magazines. At City Bike (San Fran) we were a bit different. We embraced the DR (I attended the original product Launch in the Mojave in 1996) and our publisher owned two DR650's and supported the idea of low cost bikes for budget conscious riders. We lent out DR test bikes out to everyone ... no one could break them.

We even supported and sponsored some RTW travelers ... like Ted Simon and Greg Frasier ... and several more unknown riders. So not ALL mags are bad guys!

The shiny mag guys are jaded ... their purview is Race Bikes and the Moto Cross business (stress BUSINESS here) for the most part. Their demographic are ages 12 to 19. They just don't get ADV travel or exploring ... and it doesn't pay the bills either. Look at who there advertisers are. But there are ... thankfully, other mags ... and of course ADV rider.

The Dirt Bike mag guys rarely leave the L.A. area on a motorbike ... and never travel solo off road. If they go somewhere, it's in a $40,000 pick up truck on loan from Ford or Toyota. None ride on the street.

So, grain of Salt here. Don't take offense. Take heart and support mags like MCN. Editor Dave Searle has done specials all about the DR650 and understands LOTS of "Real" working man riders love this bike. He owns one and "gets" the DR 100%.
I agree totally,CITY BIKE is a class act,they cater to the little man,offered psychiatric advice when needed to lost readers,generally tried to keep things real.

I saw the "world's oldest newspaper boy" and listened to him speak at the Auburn fairgrounds BMW rally. A true rebel and I liked him.

Is City Bike teats up? Hard to find it in Chico so I havent kept up.
I'll have to check out MCN.
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Yea, and it's all about time for me. I want quality time in the saddle. I go away with the same 3 guys every year for 2 weeks somewhere. Big 2,500 mile off road trips. And if we had to ride there from Joisey, then take the time to swap out tires and yad yada yada, well, it just wouldn't be possible. Our entire 2 weeks is on the planned route.
I admit it,Im damn lucky. Here in Nor Cal the offroad/dirtroad starts 30 miles from my house and I can head to Nevada,Idaho,Utah,Colorado and beyond,with out using much pavement at all.

Or ride local singletrack till Im worn to a frazzle.

Then head to the Coast on mostly dirt roads and really good backroads with next to 0 traffic.

Its a rough deal.....but someones got to do it.
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