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Old 07-17-2013, 09:19 AM   #78766
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yes, but I already know it will go further, I just have this mental problem.
I couldn't sleep at night.
You have to check "Are you interested in extending the drain interval" to get that comment. Amsoil definitely passes that test, not all do however. And it is bike dependent. MY F800GS chewed up oil (Amsoil) and sheared it down to a high to mid level 30 grade in 2k miles. Every engine plant is different in this regard.
I get Amsoil fairly cheap @ $8.50 a quart. I also have access to a 500 gal oil slop tank at the pier where all my used oil goes and is, presumably, recycled.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:21 AM   #78767
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I gotta ask--what about OW30 synth--how does that breakdown--shear, what's that mean.

I'm not being a wise ass--I have the gene.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:23 AM   #78768
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Hell, I'd buy his used oil!
Well if you are using this stuff, you are !


But I know your not Thump. . Just kidding.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:38 AM   #78769
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I gotta ask--what about OW30 synth--how does that breakdown--shear, what's that mean.

I'm not being a wise ass--I have the gene.
Well typically Bill the further the spread the quicker and more vulnerable the oil is to shearing. The molecule chain as they call them are longer and break easier. Which is why you see a lot of 20w50 , 10w30/40 spreads in conventional oils. Syns are able to spread it more (5w50 for example) supposedly.
Shearing means the oil has been broken down into a lesser grade weight. Gear boxes do a good job of this.
Never sampled a 0/30


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Old 07-17-2013, 09:48 AM   #78770
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I've been using the 0W40 in everything since about 2007...there are no "fuel economy" additives in the Mobil if I understand it correctly....no issues.

The WR250R, at 15,000 of hard miles when I hydrolocked it was tired, but clean as a whistle.

Oh...and 45,000 on the DL, 25,000 miles on the GS500--no issues with that oil...again--not really more than anecdotal evidence--but at least we know it doesn't cause a failure? Hmmmm...
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:05 AM   #78771
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No. I'm sure anything anyone uses is fine. The level I take it too is strictly for the bored and or anal. Lol


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Old 07-17-2013, 10:07 AM   #78772
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THere's something to it--we used to send oil samples out on our diesel 12cyl M60 tank engines regularly--it's a huge predictor--for instance, that 3rd gear issue these can have--any of that possible to foresee?
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:11 AM   #78773
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THere's something to it--we used to send oil samples out on our diesel 12cyl M60 tank engines regularly--it's a huge predictor--for instance, that 3rd gear issue these can have--any of that possible to foresee?
Well ill keep and eye on the iron levels I have thought of that.


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Old 07-17-2013, 10:16 AM   #78774
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all this oil talk is makin' me itchy.

I hate oil changes. Messy. Always end up with some on me and some on the garage floor.

The price of motorcycle oils makes me sick. almost as bad as when I go to the grocery store and see the price of food!
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:22 AM   #78775
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THere's something to it--we used to send oil samples out on our diesel 12cyl M60 tank engines regularly--it's a huge predictor--for instance, that 3rd gear issue these can have--any of that possible to foresee?
+1, I maintained a bunch of diesel generators until recently, from a little 3 cyl. aircooled Lister up to a big V24 Detroit Diesel and we did an oil (also fuel and coolant) analysis on all of them yearly and it was definitely worthwhile, in some cases it gave early notice of serious problems. Oil analysis alone is not very expensive, don't think it would be any help with 3rd gear though, from what I've seen here the gear tends to crack into several pieces and probably would not contaminate the oil much beforehand.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:31 AM   #78776
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all this oil talk is makin' me itchy.

I hate oil changes. Messy. Always end up with some on me and some on the garage floor.

The price of motorcycle oils makes me sick. almost as bad as when I go to the grocery store and see the price of food!
Well Russ with that said, I'm out the door. I have a 1500 oil tanker inbound for Carteret NJ with a fresh supply.
Lol
But would anyone be surprised if I told you we are exporting more oil now then we ever did ?


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Old 07-17-2013, 10:32 AM   #78777
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Oil changes location in a variety of ways.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:41 AM   #78778
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I hate oil changes. Messy. Always end up with some on me and some on the garage floor.
Still hate tire changes more.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:51 AM   #78779
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:54 AM   #78780
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Just curious about your intervals though. If your oil analysis is saying your oil is still good at 1000, why not run it to 1500? Blackstone usually recommend that anyway don't they? I thought that was the point of oil analysis.

I got a few samples checked with Blackstone years ago when I switched to Amsoil, mainly to see if I could go the Amsoil recommended twice the drain interval of the manufacturer. My oil tests on my Kawasaki Meanstreak (liquid cooled big twin) and BMW R1200RT (air/oil cooled twin)showed the oil to still be in spec well after the recommended drain interval. I didn't put enough miles on those bikes to double the drain interval with our short riding season in Canada but I was comfortable enough with the results to change the oil in the fall when the bikes get winterized and then just ride all spring/summer/fall.

I also hand the new owner of any of our bikes sold a detailed maintenance log and they all seem surprised and pleased as well. Most bikes just get ridden and put away with little regard for maintenance so I think buyers are surprised to find one that's actually been looked after.

I'd rather buy tires than oil. I've been known to replace a few tires before their time, but that's another discussion.
It's good you changed the oil BEFORE storing your bikes for Winter. Lots of guys put 'em away with old oil in there. Someone commented about engines stored for long periods and corrosion. Old oil left sitting can cause corrosion more quickly than fresh oil.

But all that said, if I were you I'd still try and run my bikes at least once a month or so, even if just idling and revving up a bit. 20 minutes should do it. All engines hate to sit ... only bad things can happen.

I kept two vintage Brit bikes for 11 years. I only rode them in Summer and not many miles if any. Sometimes if away for work or traveling I'd not be able to fire them up for as long as 3 months. One was a '79 Bonneville Special, the other a '67 BSA Lightning Rocket.

I used Stabil in the fuel (I kept tanks FULL) and Marvel Mystery Oil in both fuel and oil. I also fogged the cylinders with Marvel. They seemed to run better every year! ... and always started after 1st or 2nd kick. The Carbs never gummed up ... they just ran and ran. The old guy experts always said to change the oil before you stored them ... and the really anal guys would change it again before putting them back in service. I did not do this ... just ran the perfectly clean oil all Summer.
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