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Old 08-26-2013, 03:56 PM   #80596
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Have you done the carb breather T mod?
Forgot about this one and it's been on my list of things to do. Thx for bringing it up again.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:23 PM   #80597
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I use to have an '02 r6 ( the last year before fuel injection). Granted it was in inline 4 and a very different beast, but the battery went out on it. Being young and broke I wasn't able to buy a battery for a couple weeks. That didn't stop me from riding. I was able to sit on it an push it fast enough to start it. Apperently my dr is going to be different. I think I'm going to try push starting it just to see what I'm up against.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:34 PM   #80598
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I use to have an '02 r6 ( the last year before fuel injection). Granted it was in inline 4 and a very different beast, but the battery went out on it. Being young and broke I wasn't able to buy a battery for a couple weeks. That didn't stop me from riding. I was able to sit on it an push it fast enough to start it. Apperently my dr is going to be different. I think I'm going to try push starting it just to see what I'm up against.
Technique is important. 2nd or 3rd gear. Get it rolling to about jogging speed. "Bump" the clutch out then pull it back in immediately. Your objective is to get at least one compression stroke. Usually they will start. If you just drop the clutch it will likely slide the tire on the second compression stroke because it will be spinning fast enough that the the centrifugally operated automatic decompression won't release but not fast enough to actually pull away. Works for me.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:47 PM   #80599
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Have you done the carb breather T mod?
Heck, that water wasn't even deep enough to even come up to the level of the vacuum line. I doubt it was that.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:48 PM   #80600
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Idling problem help wanted

My FCR39 fitted DR won't idle consistently.

When cold the bike idles well with the choke on though the revs are quite low, and it won't idle at all with the choke off.

When warm the bike doesn't idle well with the choke on and with the choke off it will have a fairly lumpy and erratic idle for up to 15 seconds before stalling, often it stalls instantly.

When the bike is hot it will either stall instantly or idle at very high revs before slowly dropping down and stalling.

I'm in NZ so I'm using 95RON real gas and the idle jet and float height are both as per MXRob specs.

Can anyone advise what these symptoms may be caused by?

Once off idle the bike is smooth and strong all the way to redline. I've tried adjusting idle speed and the mixture screw to no avail.
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:07 PM   #80601
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Idling problem help wanted
First eliminate the possibility of a vacuum leak or tight valves.
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:29 PM   #80602
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It certainly wouldn't be practical or cost effective. There is no provision in the crankcase for all the K/S gearing and whatnot. There's really nowhere to put it without redesigning the crankcase and probably lots of other things too.

What is practical is to carry a small, lightweight Shorai battery as a spare.
Not a bad idea. Can the Dr run after disconnecting the battery? Never tried it. All the older cars do fine, so unless the drs Cdi or stator cause problems, you could fire off the spare and then hook back up to the main. What do you think the smallest shorai that would be practical as a backup is?

That said, cables could be good too. Just requires someone else to be around.
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:35 PM   #80603
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This might be a dumb idea, but would two smaller shorais fit in the battery tray?
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:40 PM   #80604
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SOUNDS very much like a vacume leak. especialy the notes about how it acts when hot.

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Idling problem help wanted

My FCR39 fitted DR won't idle consistently.

When cold the bike idles well with the choke on though the revs are quite low, it and won't idle at all with the choke off.

When warm the bike doesn't idle well with the choke on and with the choke off it will have a fairly lumpy and erratic idle for up to 15 seconds before stalling, often it stalls instantly.

When the bike is hot it will either stall instantly or idle at very high revs before slowly dropping down and stalling.

I'm in NZ so I'm using 95RON real gas and the idle jet and float height are both is as per MXRob specs.

Can anyone advise what these symptoms may be caused by?

Once off idle the bike is smooth and strong all the way to redline. I've tried adjusting idle speed and the mixture screw to no avail.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:26 PM   #80605
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what gear were you in? it not easy but it is possible to push start the DR solo in 3rd gear. good idea to remove your riding gear before you try it because your going to get covered in sweat and it ruins your arm muscles


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On Push starting these bikes,we were out and about and a friends KLR lost the solenoid,so the starter wouldnt work. No kicker so we tried push starting it,with 3 guys doing the pushing and one guy jumping down on the seat,all this on pavement not dirt.
Even with a small downhill it wouldnt turn over fast enough to start,after about 5 tries with more bystanders helping, it started,barely.

So on dirt,even with 3 or 4 guys,push starting a 650 single could be a real trick.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:42 PM   #80606
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Heck, that water wasn't even deep enough to even come up to the level of the vacuum line. I doubt it was that.
Yeah, but you just doubt it because I thought of it first.

Even if it isn't the cause in this instance, if the bike hasn't had the T mod, now would be a good time to do it. No point in waiting until you're up against a 'real' water crossing.
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Old 08-26-2013, 06:49 PM   #80607
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what gear were you in? it not easy but it is possible to push start the DR solo in 3rd gear. good idea to remove your riding gear before you try it because your going to get covered in sweat and it ruins your arm muscles
Due to a bad battery I ended up getting an education in solo push starting my '02 DR the second or third day I owned it. By trial and error I found 2nd gear was the best on flat pavement (1st just made long skid marks - my 7 year old self would have been proud!). Ran along side pushing then jumped on (tricky) and popped the clutch. Pro tip: before trying this at home make SURE BOTH the key AND kill switch are in the ON position AT THE SAME TIME - DAMHIK Hey, 1. the bike was new to me, 2. pushing a DR back and forth for 15 minutes trying to start it counts as cardio, right?!
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:01 PM   #80608
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what gear were you in? it not easy but it is possible to push start the DR solo in 3rd gear. good idea to remove your riding gear before you try it because your going to get covered in sweat and it ruins your arm muscles
We tried it in 1st through 3rd,the tire didnt turn over much if any. I would much like to see a video of someone solo push starting a DR650 so I would know how to do it next time.
Especially on dirt. There's no manual compression release,seems tricky.
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:02 PM   #80609
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Due to a bad battery I ended up getting an education in solo push starting my '02 DR the second or third day I owned it. By trial and error I found 2nd gear was the best on flat pavement (1st just made long skid marks - my 7 year old self would have been proud!). Ran along side pushing then jumped on (tricky) and popped the clutch. Pro tip: before trying this at home make SURE BOTH the key AND kill switch are in the ON position AT THE SAME TIME - DAMHIK Hey, 1. the bike was new to me, 2. pushing a DR back and forth for 15 minutes trying to start it counts as cardio, right?!
It will start when the battery is dead or down?

Maybe the KLR we were pushing had other issues.
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Old 08-26-2013, 07:26 PM   #80610
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It will start when the battery is dead or down?
The DR has a separate magneto/ignition charge coil so it can be push started when the battery is flat - but per Procycle the battery needs to be in the circuit to enable the CDI. In other words you apparently can't push start it without a battery installed. Didn't have a reason to try that, but I know it can be started with a battery that's too dead to activate the solenoid.

When I was push starting mine, I didn't know this - so I was trying to conserve precious battery capacity by flipping the ignition after hopping on and just before popping the clutch (and half the time I was forgetting....) I'm sure it was really quite the spectacle - funny now though.
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