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Old 05-22-2006, 09:28 PM   #1
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Sidehack questions

Questions for all the Ural loons and other three-wheelers out in ADVland...

I busted up my left wrist pretty badly in a car crash and it'll be some time (doc says could be a year from now) before it's strong enough for me to ride again. Even then it might not be strong enough to ride anything with a forward-leaning riding position (weight on the wrist) or anything very heavy (in case I drop it and have to pick it up). I want to keep riding, though, so I've started thinking about sidehacks.

I put a few hundred miles on an EML BMW rig years ago, and about 1000 on a factory H-D outfit. But my recollections of them are foggy, esp. WRT how much effort it takes to steer them. I know a single-track vehicle is virtually effortless by comparison, but that a properly designed leading-link front end on a hack reduces steering effort substantially.

The fact that I'd never have to pick up a sidehack appeals to me, but if the strain on my wrist is going to be the same as or worse than that which I'd experience on a two-wheeler, well, it's time to start thinking in some other direction.

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Old 05-23-2006, 08:11 AM   #2
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If you've spent time on a hack you already know they require lots of steering effort. However, your problems lie in your left wrist, not your right one. When I ride my hack it seems my right arm gets the workout because the bike is trying to drive around the hack.

As much as I hate to say it, if you want something to be easy on your wrist without the risk of falling down you might want to consider a trike conversion to a large touring bike. I can't stand trikes and every one I've ridden seems to handle like a truck, but they are a lot easier to steer than a hack.
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Old 05-23-2006, 08:24 AM   #3
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I started riding sidecars seriously because of the steel in my leg. I still ride them with the plate and screws in my left arm. If you have a rig set up with very reduced trail in the front end you might be surprized how easy they handle. I also have seen several people ride with a prosthesis for one arm or one guy I switched the throttle to the left side because his right arm didn't work. He rode a Honda 450 automatic so he didn't have a clutch. There is always a way just how creative do you want to be?
Here is a photo of a sidecar I am selling for a guy who is losing his eyesight, eyesight would be a little hard to work around riding a bike.
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Old 05-23-2006, 08:29 AM   #4
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I had a MuZ hack and although it was small and light it required a lot more effort and muscle to ride than a normal moto.

Get a Big Ruckus or a Burgman. Seriously.
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Old 05-23-2006, 09:58 AM   #5
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Get a Big Ruckus or a Burgman. Seriously.
A really good suggestion. Seriously!

I can't believe you thought of it
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Old 05-23-2006, 02:11 PM   #6
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How about that new Piaggio MP3 scooter with two front wheels?

http://www.mp3.piaggio.com/index_eng.html
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:13 PM   #7
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Laugh steering effort

JB, my 1980 EML airhead rig only requires a lot of arm strength when making large direction changes at very low speeds. At speeds over a few mph the bars only need a slight push pressure to initiate a turn or a lane change. It takes a bit more force on the bars to hold their position through some high speed turns than what a single track bike requires, but you hold em with a pull not a push so it shouldn't be too hard on your wrist. Take a well set up rig for a spin and it will all come back to you!

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Questions for all the Ural loons and other three-wheelers out in ADVland...

I busted up my left wrist pretty badly in a car crash and it'll be some time (doc says could be a year from now) before it's strong enough for me to ride again. Even then it might not be strong enough to ride anything with a forward-leaning riding position (weight on the wrist) or anything very heavy (in case I drop it and have to pick it up). I want to keep riding, though, so I've started thinking about sidehacks.

I put a few hundred miles on an EML BMW rig years ago, and about 1000 on a factory H-D outfit. But my recollections of them are foggy, esp. WRT how much effort it takes to steer them. I know a single-track vehicle is virtually effortless by comparison, but that a properly designed leading-link front end on a hack reduces steering effort substantially.

The fact that I'd never have to pick up a sidehack appeals to me, but if the strain on my wrist is going to be the same as or worse than that which I'd experience on a two-wheeler, well, it's time to start thinking in some other direction.

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Old 05-28-2013, 12:51 AM   #8
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Why not a regular 2 wheeler? Just get one w/ upright position.

My hack takes a lot more effort then my regular bike.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:41 AM   #9
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JB, my 1980 EML airhead rig only requires a lot of arm strength when making large direction changes at very low speeds. At speeds over a few mph the bars only need a slight push pressure to initiate a turn or a lane change. It takes a bit more force on the bars to hold their position through some high speed turns than what a single track bike requires, but you hold em with a pull not a push so it shouldn't be too hard on your wrist. Take a well set up rig for a spin and it will all come back to you!
Well said. Sidecars do not have to be hard to steer, do not have to pull to the right and can be easy to ride. Reducing trail goes along way stoward this. Smaller tires with minuimal wheel lead can make even slow speed steering quite easy.
I had a nasty compound fracture of my right wrist back on 2000 or so. It took a while and I rode with a wrist support ( even solo bikes) for a long time but it rarely bothers me today. Hope your experience is as good JBSmith.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:25 AM   #10
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Agreed, Sidecars need not steer hard however with very light steering they can be a bit twitchy on the road. If you build a rig build it with less trail then usual, if you buy a rig, it might be possible to reduce trail further depending on just what you buy.
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Old 05-28-2013, 03:29 PM   #11
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Erm.....ahh...the OP and the next five posts were SEVEN YEARS AGO guys....
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Old 05-28-2013, 04:27 PM   #12
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Bump

.... just because. Even though I agree with Tarka.

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Old 05-28-2013, 04:54 PM   #13
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My Bonnie rig with DMC's triple trees steers effortlessly.
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:22 PM   #14
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In 07 I had my left knee replace.Just so I could ride I bought 92 RT/EML sport.The leading link front made it like power steering.I could ride it with using just my right hand..The modified front end made piloting the rig easy. Good luck with your surgury,and good luck looking for your rehab rig it does help..don't see many motorcycles in front of a shrinks office..
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