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Old 05-05-2007, 09:56 PM   #181
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Triumph needs to lighten up

The new triumph scrambler is on the right track but it is too heavy at 451 pounds. Triumph could put the bike on a diet and the executive offices have already done this once and are in the works of doing it again at this link.
http://www.mulemotorcycles.net/ check back as the site is occasionally being updated. The story of the first bike is self explanatory. A follow up phone call to Richard Pollock at Mule motorcycles. He told me that triumph displayed the bike at a few shows had a couple write ups in different magazines and sold the bike internally to an exec. He had no dyno results or specs on weight saved but did say it was a blast to ride and a night and day difference between the stock bike and his modifications. This motor had a 904cc big bore kit.
The new bike
Richard Pollock is fabricating is an open checkbook creation
he was tasked with making every effort to reduce weight. Names like titanium, magnesium, carbon fiber and aluminum. Each component going onto the newly designed chromoly frame will be considered for weight saved and performance gained. When I asked him about the motor he mentioned that it may break the 1000cc mark.

Me myself on the poor mans budget? I would do like
Steve McQueen used to do,
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/snwvlly/bikes/steve.htm
buy a salvage motor and buy a Rickman Brothers Matisse frame kit. Here http://www.metisse-motorcycles.com/ no I do not see a frame offered directly for the new triumph twin motor but i am sure if they are making a frame that fits the new Harley motors they can make one that can use the new triumph twin.
Scrounge ebay for bits. assemble and big cheesey grin.
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Old 05-05-2007, 10:45 PM   #182
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Kept coming up errors under the Projects heading.
I am very interested in this as I have been thinking of fabricating my own frame/ swingarm setup based on a scrambler.
Triumph could do with putting the Scrambler on a diet with a little more in the go department. Then again look at aftermarket stuff that is popping up, a chance to build a useable customised machine .
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Old 05-05-2007, 10:56 PM   #183
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yes

sorry about that happens sometimes I will have to email him and find out why?
just got a new email from Mr. Pollack i will clip and post it here.


Thanks for website! I've actually got a bike on there. It's called the Mule
"Funny Bike". I've read all those articles on there, plus many more. In an
effort to make things light, it's a whole state of mind! Meaning, you have
to think about every molecule of material that gets added to the bike! I
weigh everything and then have to make a decision. Is it heavier and
stronger than need be? Or can we change material or drill holes or
....eliminate the part altogether? Three bolts instead of six? Quarter inch
thick material instead of three eights? Wall thickness of tubing, diameter
of bolts, number of bolts, gun drilled bolts and axles? Plastic, fiberglass,
aluminum or carbon? Steel or aluminum? Lots of decisions. But it's fun and
outcome is very cool when it hits the scale. I hope to apply a lot of these
practices on everything I do on my own race bikes too!

Thanks again, Richard
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:33 AM   #184
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mule site back up

I just checked and the Mule website is back up.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:23 PM   #185
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Ace, some real cool ideas. Love the Sundance 19" Wheels
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:03 AM   #186
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Don't get me wrong, I love the look but What a dissapointment! That in 30 years of technological advancement we end up with a bike that is visually similar but with no real innovation to be proud of. It has gained 88lbs increased it's displacement 115cc's over the 750 or 215cc over the 650 and has only increased its hp by 2 against the 750 or 10 hp against the 650. Electric start has been around since the 1930's an Indian innovation. Chromoly has been in use as a frame material since the 1950's a royal enfield innovation but this 2007 Triumph has mild steel . Titanium has been in use on bikes since since the 60's and so has magnesium. For those of you that think a light bike with more power would be cost prohibitive I did a search for bikes of similar price and found a motorcycle dealership selling 2007 cbr600rr's for a buy it now of 7,999 and they weigh 345 pounds compared to 451lbs. The brakes are described as aqequate, why not put at least as good brakes as a 7,999 dollar sport bike? I clipped a piece of a scrambler test "see below" .

"Obviously, the Scrambler puts convenience and cool ahead of actual performance. Just as well, then, because Triumph gave the Scrambler the weakest of its three Bonneville-spec twins�the 270-degree 865cc engine from its Speedmaster cruiser . Despite having more displacement than the standard Bonnie�s 360-degree 790cc air/oil-cooled vertical-twin, the Speedmaster engine�more of a low-revving torquer�actually makes less horsepower (55 bhp) than the base engine�s 61. It makes slightly more torque, but that�s still a relatively stingy output for a bike that weighs 452 pounds dry. This is especially true when you consider the TR6C�s pushrod motor gave 45 bhp 30 years ago in a lighter, 364-pound package."

I have to mention that the TR6C was a 650cc motor as opposed to the 865cc they give us now. So I found a spec sheet on the triumph 750
hp rating for the 750cc triumph of 1978. Power - 53.00 HP (38.7 kW) @ 6500 RPM
so that makes it 115cc smaller but only 2 hp weaker.
My sources
http://www.motorbike-search-engine.c...h_classic.html
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/fi...mph_scrambler/

The magic ton lol triumphs have been doing that since the 60's.
Give us a lighter stronger faster better braking bike!!!!!!!!!!!
" stingy " is the word!
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Old 06-01-2007, 04:01 AM   #187
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I Agree

Hey Rider007, right on totally right no probs with heat from pipes 10,000kms up just lovin it, cant fault it
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Old 06-01-2007, 06:17 AM   #188
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I pick mine up TODAY!!! If the crate comes in like it's supposed to!
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Old 06-01-2007, 09:17 AM   #189
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I own an 06 model scrambler and consider it a blast to ride. It avoids fuel injection, ABS and water cooling, a big plus IMO. I take it on highways and twisty back roads. It'll do gravel roads at a tear. The criticisms here are obviously largely by non owners. The side pipes are well shielded and stories of melting clothes sound like urban legend to me. I put 7000 miles on mine and had no problems that way. The bike is of high quality build and very smooth for a twin. It's well balanced and quite flickable. It's not a sport bike or a DRZ but it is a very fun ride and a superb handing bike.
Wish I had a dollar for everytme someone asks if that pipe does't burn my leg. I am getting to the point where I want to tell them that the scarring is deep enough I don't feel the white hot heat anymore.



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Old 06-01-2007, 06:06 PM   #190
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....and here 'tis!!

......drumroll.........bone stock, but it's mine!
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Old 06-01-2007, 06:55 PM   #191
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You're all evil

I've been looking, but with an FZ1, KLR and KLX find it hard to justify another bike. But for those who read Peter Egan in Cycle World, maybe it's time to get something that's just fun, easy to get on and go...and hey, I could never afford the original back in the day. So sure, there's some nostalgia too. That might be a good thing. Now if only Dreer had done managed the Norton, my bank account would be really screwed.
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Old 06-21-2007, 01:27 AM   #192
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I have this baby for an Adventure ride down the West Coast of the North Island this Weekend. She's gunna be a muddy one too.






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Old 06-21-2007, 11:21 AM   #193
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I have this baby for an Adventure ride down the West Coast of the North Island this Weekend. She's gunna be a muddy one too.






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we are gonna need lots of pics
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:23 AM   #194
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we are gonna need lots of pics
Yeah.

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Old 06-21-2007, 11:50 AM   #195
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......drumroll.........bone stock, but it's mine!
How about a couple pic's of that bronco?
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