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Old 01-15-2007, 09:30 PM   #151
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Touratech Style front and rear hubs for 36-hole excell wheels

Woody, as i have asked in one of the forums, is there a way that we can mount standard 36-hole excells on an HP2? The reasons for me are the following:

1. No one where i live can lace bmw cross spoke wheels (althugh one guy did it, took him 4 months, and by the time he's done..... the model was outdated )

2. 36 holes seem to be the standard on dirtbikes

3. touratech sells the wheels with the hubs, all 36 hole patterns... but then again.. i'm quite sure YOU can do a better job than TT, at a more reasonable price.

4. Can you machine a rear hub for a 36hole pattern?

5. Will a ktm front wheel set fit directlly onto the hp2 with minor spacer modifications? (again.... its cost related since bmw's hubs, front and rear, are so expensive)
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Eek oh boy,,,,,that's a heap of HP-2 questions

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Woody, as i have asked in one of the forums, is there a way that we can mount standard 36-hole excells on an HP2? The reasons for me are the following:

,,,the oem hubs are all 40 hole,,,so we can mount 40 hole rims on the oem hubs,,which we've been doing for smoe time

1. No one where i live can lace bmw cross spoke wheels (althugh one guy did it, took him 4 months, and by the time he's done..... the model was outdated )

,,,well that's about right from the feedback i get,,+/- several months

2. 36 holes seem to be the standard on dirtbikes

,,,you're right about that,,,bmw has used this same drilling pattern for the last 30 years,,,,there's just 3 basic hub diameters that i've finally concluded they have,,,,now that's what i call great amoritization

3. touratech sells the wheels with the hubs, all 36 hole patterns... but then again.. i'm quite sure YOU can do a better job than TT, at a more reasonable price.

,,,i know i can build a stronger wheel but cheaper ,,,,Excel sources most of that stuff in house,,,so there's no middle men save touratech,,,we've already tried to source the hubs,,,and that doesn't look good,,,,why should they sell me the hub only to create competition for themselves,,and then you all buying the SUPERLACE wheels from me,,,they'll end up with lot's of their wheel assemblies catching dust

4. Can you machine a rear hub for a 36hole pattern?

,,,yes we can,,,but will it be worth it,,,there are damn few HP-2s out there,,,i have to pick my battles carefully,,,the prototyping costs are the same if i build 50 or 5,000

5. Will a ktm front wheel set fit directlly onto the hp2 with minor spacer modifications? (again.... its cost related since bmw's hubs, front and rear, are so expensive)

,,,we've been working on that,,,,there's a matter of 1/4'' difference where the disc and caliper interface,,,,am deciding if i make an adapter /spacer between/behind the caliper mount ie to move caliper out,,,or to make a disc carrier that allows the oem bmw disc to be mounted on the ktm hub.......we already have trick KTM billet hubs available,,, they aren't much more expensive thanoem stuff,,,can get em anodized in several colors are stronger too and alot less than Talon hubs
will keep ya posted,,,,regarding the hp-2 excell wheels ,,,the jury is still out on them,,,,we do know that some of their previous forays into building wheel assemblies have proven unsatisfactory as far as durability etc goes,,lotsa show but no go
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we'll see if something can be done for you...

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Hiya! I'm in the process of converting my XR650R to a supermotard rig but I would like a completely separate 17" wheelset so that I can go back and forth between dirt and street setups. What would you recommend? Have you/can you work out a cush drive setup for the rear? Can you include an odometer eliminator for the front? The typical setup is 3.5" front and 4.25" rear IIRC, and most people are using Excel rims with Talon hubs... Looking to order the end of this month/early next month... Ballpark pricing would be appreciated ;)

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i'd highly recommend the cush hub,,,,what i need though is your complete wheel assemblies or measurements where the spacer and discs and sprocket are,,axle diameter etc,,, so you can have a simple interface,,,don't know if i have the specs on that,,,,

BTW,,we just got he trick billet cusch drive sprocket carriers in to complement the billet hubs,,,pics will follow shortly,,,i do know that crf and yzf rear hubd are within a millimeter or two of the ktm cush drive assembly
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Billet Cush Drives and Sprocket Carriers now available

Check out the newest addition to making KTM wheels stronger and better looking:

Billet Sprocket Carriers to match our new billet hubs or to add some bling to your stock hub. Also, you can use the cush drive on almost all rear KTM's. The 950 cush is now complete as well with the front twin disc due to be completed soon. Call or PM if you're interested or have any questions.

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Old 01-17-2007, 09:18 AM   #155
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Question Damn the snow, full speed ahead?

Howdy Woody!

I've been in to the shop in the past to have broken spokes repaired on my '03 Tiger (now RIP).

As you are well aware, Denver hasn't been able to shrug off all of the December snow with the recent cold temps, and I haven't been on two wheels since early December. Honestly, I think I'm going to go nuts!

Long story short, I'm getting ready to mount a brand new pair of Dunlop D606's on my '07 DR 650, and I'm considering options of how to get out and enjoy the winter more;

A) Ride stock D606's and expect to fall down frequently.

B) Stud the D606's and expect to fall down.

C) Mount Kold Kutter ice screws and only ride off-highway, all the while expecting to fall down.

D) Buy or build a set of snow chains, and expect to get weird stares (and fall down).

E) What other choices are there, when medication alone doesn't suffice?

Also, I'm curious if anyone has ever tried to sipe motorcycle tires? I've done this on the past three sets of BF Goodrich All Terrain TA's I've had on my truck, and they have handled great and provided good mileage results (65k miles on the last set).

I've found that Wunderlich sells tire chains for the BMW GS bikes, but they are too expensive, and the wrong size for my DR.

I have a set of RUD Grip 4x4 chains for my Tacoma that are awesome ( http://www.rudchain.com/snow/grip4.htm ) but I've already contacted them, and they don't sell any for motorcycles. Perhaps I have to buy a set of their car chains, and cut them apart and rebuild them to fit the DR? If so, how do I best convert an MC wheel size into a corresponding car tire size? RUD has a fitment guide on the above website, might you or your son be able to help me convert DR wheel sizes into a best guess for fit car tire size? DR= 90/90-21 & 130/90-17.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:48 AM   #156
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tire chain sizes and stuff like that for the snow-birds

tramontana et al,,,,

i finally fiqured out that you wanted help with tire chain sizes,,ehhh???

well,,we stud them or screw them but not chain them or spike them in this neck of the woods,,,,,we have standards ya know....

look,,,that chart you gave us just matches the appropriate part number for that tire size,,,here's a chart that will work better for you,,,you should be able to figure out al ot more of what you need to know,,,perhaps some mathemetician can give ya hand with it,,,,

i'm up to my ears moving my shop from one building to another,,,,the monster snow loads finally got to the ole flat roof and the first warm day i thought tha place was transormed into ''woody's water torture works''
twenty buckets and a mop couldn't keep up with the torrent of melting snow,,,,

here's the chart...the only extra info you need to remember is that the fellow who made it already multiplied the A/R x 2 for a total dimension to be used in conjunction with the rim diameter ie bead to opposite bead,,,

FYI just tried to post,,message is to long so'll post chart in next post...
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tire size Aspect/Ratio chart for fiquring overall tire sizes PART A

Motorcycle Tire Size and Width
To use this Chart
1.
Find your tire sidewall width or size in Column 1.
2.
Move right (Columns 3-11) to get your Aspect Ratio (A/R); may be on the sidewall or manufacturer's specs; most old-style tall tires are 100 A/R (Goodyear "Super Eagle", Arco, Dunlop "Safety Mileage Mk. II" & "Speedmaster Mk. II", etc.).
3.
Add the figure in the box to your rim size - this is your tire diameter. NOTE: these numbers are 2 x rim width x A/R

Column 1
Tire size in millimeters
Column 2
Tread width in inches (x .0394 = width in mm)
Columns 3 - 11
Total sidewall height (from rim bead seat to top of tread)

Size
Width
55 A/R
60 A/R
65 A/R
70 A/R
75 A/R
80 A/R
85 A/R
90 A/R
100 A/R
80mm
3.15"
3.46"
3.77"
4.08"
4.39"
4.70"
5.01"
5.32"
5.63"
6.26"
90
3.54
3.90
4.25
4.60
4.95
5.30
5.65
6.00
6.35
7.06
100
3.94
4.33
4.72
5.11
5.50
5.89
6.28
6.67
7.06
7.84
110
4.33
4.76
5.19
5.62
6.05
6.48
6.91
7.34
7.77
8.63
120
4.72
5.20
5.67
6.14
6.61
7.08
7.55
8.02
8.49
9.43
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tire size Aspect/Ratio chart for fiquring overall tire sizes PART B

here's the second half..

130
5.12
5.63
6.14
6.65
7.16
7.67
8.18
8.69
9.20
10.22
140
5.51
6.06
6.61
7.16
7.71
8.26
8.81
9.36
9.91
11.01
150
5.91
6.50
7.09
7.68
8.27
8.86
9.45
10.04
10.63
11.81
160
6.30
6.93
7.56
8.19
8.82
9.45
10.08
10.71
11.34
12.60
170
6.69
7.36
8.03
8.70
9.37
10.04
10.71
11.38
12.05
13.39
180
7.09
7.80
8.51
9.22
9.93
10.64
11.35
12.06
12.77
14.19
190
7.48
8.23
8.98
9.73
10.48
11.23
11.98
12.73
13.48
14.98
200
7.87
8.66
9.45
10.24
11.03
11.82
12.61
13.40
14.19
15.77
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Thanks Woody!

I flatted out two rear tubes before I found the culprit. Sneaky little bur on a spoke nipple kept holing the tubes through the rim liner band.

This shut me down on mounting the D606's last night since I ran out of spares. (note to self: measure twice, cut once should apply to flats?).

Anyhow, now that I know you recommend studding & screwing tires, is this a service that WWW provides? If so, how much to stud a set of new D606's?

I have 500 Kold Kutter ice screws that I plan to use off highway, however the DR is also a commuter bike, so I'm planning to take the leap into studded tires.
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sorry we do not do either service,,,that's a self help scenario

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I flatted out two rear tubes before I found the culprit. Sneaky little bur on a spoke nipple kept holing the tubes through the rim liner band.

This shut me down on mounting the D606's last night since I ran out of spares. (note to self: measure twice, cut once should apply to flats?).

Anyhow, now that I know you recommend studding & screwing tires, is this a service that WWW provides? If so, how much to stud a set of new D606's?

I have 500 Kold Kutter ice screws that I plan to use off highway, however the DR is also a commuter bike, so I'm planning to take the leap into studded tires.
so sorry,,no do
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spun wheel bearings on BMW tapered bearing hubs

[Do you repair hubs that have been damaged by spun bearings? I have obtained a rear wheel that has internal hub damage. It would require machining the hole and putting in an appropriate sleeve. Is this something that you could do? I would loke to be able to go back to the original style wheels instead of my current Lester wheels
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hi wayne,,we have several ways of dealing with them,,,i also build a ball bearing conversion kit,,, it's popular because you eliminate all the drudgery and cost of the bmw tapered bearings and their set-up,,,can machine brake surfaces,,,you name it ,,,we do or have done it,,also have a good supply of serviceable used stuff,,,some of the work requires wheel disassembly such as turning your brake drum,,,just tell me your $$$parameters and we'll get ya the most bang for your dollar...woody
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so what are the basics of lacing regular wheels,,,a quick review

My name is J.R. I own a business here in Los Angeles called Angel City Cycle, I was wondering if I could get some pointers on the early parts of wheel lacing. I'm talking about your recommendation for when I start to tighten spokes so as not to create more work by over tightening too soon. I've been building wheels for a long time but I just started to get back to offering it for my customers and I want to do the best job possible. I have a truing stand and a spoke torque wrench (that only goes to 50), I am a BMW shop, that's all I work on, I will send the tubeless stuff to you.

hey there J.R. and the rest of you wheelsmiths,,here's a few tips,,,

1,,after assembly,,i carefully and evenly bring nipples down on the threads,,,,while making sure the rim is properly positioned left and right,,,ie the offset,,,most bmw rims are centered between the hub flanges

2,,i observe the radial and lateral runout and finger tighten a few spokes so that the rim is now located and running true

3,, i finger tighten the rest of the nipples,,now the rim should still be where you want it,,,any adjustment from this point on i loosen first then tighten

4,, i then start snugging all the v spokes a few turns equally around the wheel clockwise from a starting point,,say at the valve stem hole [that should be a v],,followed by doing the x spokes in the opposite direction....ie i'm sucking the rim in toward the hub equally in all directions,,,i redo this several times,,,

5,, the last thing i do is do the final truing,,,remembering to loosen then tighten

6,,last but not least,,,of course JR if as you said ya ''want the best job possible'' send em to me for a SUPERLACE and be done with it

that's all there's to it,,,oh make sure all the spokes are doing the same amount of work,,,you can always tell the sandbaggin ones,,,,as well as those that feel like high strung overachievers,,,

good luck,, ,,,,woody
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Thanks Woody!!!!

I need to thank Woody and Chris for sending me the proper parts to lace up my new 18" front wheel....
I just lowered the klr off of the lift and I don't have time to get it muddy....
Here's a couple of pics....

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alls well that ends well...eh bullfrog???

just a quick personal apology Bullfrog,,,was in a hurry and sent ya the bag of spokes that was supposed to return to the bin,,,your bag of 36 ea was in the bin,,,ooops,,i too am human,,,

BTW,,looks real good,,,just out of curiosity,,were the spokes the right length???,,ie no threads showing outside the nipple and about 1/8'' in from end of nipple,,,just so i can log it in my reference book.

holler n thanks,,your wheel looks grea,,now get it muddy and tell us how well it workst

notice how little weight you needed because of properly positioning an extra rim lock
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just a quick personal apology Bullfrog,,,was in a hurry and sent ya the bag of spokes that was supposed to return to the bin,,,your bag of 36 ea was in the bin,,,ooops,,i too am human,,,

BTW,,looks real good,,,jsut out of curiosity,,were the spokes the right length???,,ie no threads showing outside the nipple and about 1/8'' in from end of nipple,,,just so i can log it in my reference book.

holler n thanks,,your wheel looks grea,,now get it muddy and tell us how well it workst

notice how little weight you needed because of properly positioning an extra rim lock
hey woody,

as far as spoke length goes...
on the speedo drive side of the hub (not the brake side), the inboard row of 9 spokes were a wee bit short but there is only bit of thread visible below the nipple...
i hope that makes sense???
not being a wheel professional, i am not sure of the proper lingo to use...
anyway, i am not anticipating any trouble or anything....
just info for the next guy...

i sure am glad i decided to run 2 rimlocks on each wheel....
sure makes balancing a lot easier!!!

i am looking forward to getting it muddy, but the real test will be in hitting the sand dunes....

thanks again.
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