Ask Woody About Your Wheels

[gkaan]

hey woody - i saw your slightly used hp2e 19 / 17 canyon carver setup for sale and i am interested. i am no longer going to be riding my hp2e off road and am in the process of converting it for better on road performance. i am also planning on selling my ktm 950sm and would like my hp2e to handle like the KTM! i know its a tall order to say the least but the hp2e has potential as an uber supermoto IMO. its light for a big beast, has ample power, and ergonomically its perfect for me as like the HP2E I'm a bit oversized myself . Of course the handling and braking are the areas that need to be fixed first.

anyway, i have the 17" set up and do not like the way the front end behaves. i cant quite put my finger on why. it seems stable enough for the riding i do which is primarily very tight and twisty back roads. I dont have a lot of wide open spaces that i ride but instead i ride a lot on go kart track - like roads. the 17" is ok up to a point but it just doesn't have a linear feel at extreme lean angles falling away in unnerving fashion. does this make sense? do you think the 19" set up will cure this? The long wheelbase makes quick transitions more challenging than the KTM but i assume these wheels are lighter and stronger than the stock SM wheels? I am installing the fast bike industries fork kit and assume there is no issues fitting this set up along with your wheels? will these wheels and rotors bolt right up with the existing calipers? im not wanting to change the seat height or riding position and assume i do not have to modify this for the 19/17 set up? lastly, how many miles on these and what would they cost me new?

Apologize for all the questions. we can chat live if it is easier.

thanks

[woody's wheel works]

Originally Posted by gkaan

hey woody - i saw your slightly used hp2e 19 / 17 canyon carver setup for sale and i am interested. i am no longer going to be riding my hp2e off road and am in the process of converting it for better on road performance. i am also planning on selling my ktm 950sm and would like my hp2e to handle like the KTM!..IMHO,,it'll handle more pleasantly than the either your 950SM or your KP-2 with the 17/17 set-up you currently employ but don't enjoy

i know its a tall order to say the least but the hp2e has potential as an uber supermoto IMO.I know of no one that has reverted back to the 17'' front after riding the 19/17,,, its light for a big beast, has ample power, and ergonomically its perfect for me as like the HP2E I'm a bit oversized myself . Of course the handling and braking are the areas that need to be fixed first. If handling and braking are paramount then you'll want a set of my Superlte wheels,,,sealed for tubeless running wavy floating Galfer 320mm rotor with green pads or black ones if ya are extra hard on your brakes... several pounds out of each wheel adds up to enhanced handling/less unsprung weight/rotational mass etc etc

anyway, i have the 17" set up and do not like the way the front end behaves. You're not alone i cant quite put my finger on why.Re-read my comments above
it seems stable enough for the riding i do which is primarily very tight and twisty back roads. I dont have a lot of wide open spaces that i ride but instead i ride a lot on go kart track - like roads. the 17" is ok up to a point but it just doesn't have a linear feel at extreme lean angles falling away in unnerving fashion. does this make sense?Yes.... do you think the 19" set up will cure this?Yes.... The long wheelbase makes quick transitions more challenging than the KTM but i assume these wheels are lighter and stronger than the stock SM wheels? I am installing the fast bike industries fork kit and assume there is no issues fitting this set up along with your wheels? As long as your oem stuff works with that kit ,,ours will too....will these wheels and rotors bolt right up with the existing calipers? Yes...im not wanting to change the seat height or riding position and assume i do not have to modify this for the 19/17 set up?well the seat height will be a tad higher because the front wheel will rise an inch,,,next ya may want/need an adjustable sidestand ..we can modify yoursto give ya a 2-3'' range circa $99 includes modification /upgrade/big foot etc,,,,,if you don't have one of my lifetime warranty ss side stand bracket with an integral grease fitting ya may want to invest in that too,,IMHO,,if you still have the oem aluminum bracket ,you are sitting on a time bomb,they have a proclivity to bending,cracking and causing unnecessary damage to your collector bike lastly, how many miles on these and what would they cost me new?

these were demo wheels on my bike for show n tell ,,will double check for sure,,,start from scratch sets are circa $2k +/- depending on color /tubeless or not/and if we do ya an oem X-laced or not... FYI cheapest conversion is to send in old 17''Sumo wheel ,,have us modify it

HOWEVER it will not get ya the lightest strongest set up for what you are looking for....FYI ,,many opt for a wider rear 17//then ya can run 160/170 and even 180 wide tire depending on rim size
Want the most flexibility???,,,then stick with oem rim widths,,,you'll have the largest selection of dual sport tires available,,,with a set of TKC-80s you can tear up the fire roads flat track style REAL easy
Apologize for all the questions. we can chat live if it is easier.

thanks

gotta run

my SKYPE name is tg.witte
have a fub week-end
woody

[BikerBobber]

Hi Woody!
Probably a complete noob question but I cant get any results from the search engine..
Just bought a 2002 KTM LC4 Super Motard.
It comes with 120/70 R 17 front & 160/60 R 17 rear.
I plan on using this as a mostly off road bike. What are my options? What are my size options tires/rims? Would the 19F and 17 R work? Cost?
I was actually looking for the LC4e but couldn't get one in my price range.
Thanks!
Bob

[gkaan]

Originally Posted by woody's wheel works

gotta run

my SKYPE name is tg.witte
have a fub week-end
woody

appreciate the quick reply...sounds just like what i need
ill call you monday

[woody's wheel works]

at long last,,,
here's the link to story n pics:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=109

holler with feedback...

woody

[lukeinlondon]

hi,


Do you offer color spokes? If so where do you recommend us looking for inspiration for rim color/spoke/nipples pictures? I cant look through 178 pages ;-s

and..

what is the purpose of changing the hub?

thanks,

[woody's wheel works]

Originally Posted by lukeinlondon

hi,


Do you offer color spokes? If so where do you recommend us looking for inspiration for rim color/spoke/nipples pictures? I cant look through 178 pages ;-s

and..

what is the purpose of changing the hub?

thanks,

we have pics i'm sure on our website

www.woodyswheelworks.com

we come up with whatever you want pretty much,,visualize it and...
w

[woody's wheel works]

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[wrysingfeenix]

Woody:

Circa 1980 Honda CB750 with spoked wheels; a 17" rear with a "larger" drum brake hub and a 19" front with a "smaller" hub. Can you re-drill (?) the rear rim and spoke it to the front hub if I send you these two components? The entire wheel will be powder coated, so less expensive spokes would suffice.

Ballpark estimate? Turnaround time?

Thanks...

Wrysingfeenix

[woody's wheel works]

Originally Posted by wrysingfeenix

Woody:

Circa 1980 Honda CB750 with spoked wheels; a 17" rear with a "larger" drum brake hub and a 19" front with a "smaller" hub. Can you re-drill (?) the rear rim and spoke it to the front hub if I send you these two components? The entire wheel will be powder coated, so less expensive spokes would suffice.

Ballpark estimate? Turnaround time?

Thanks...

Wrysingfeenix

ok pardner,,,the idea is great,,the devil is in the details,,,if they are chrome/steel rims this conversion is more difficult to re-angle than if ya had alloy rims[we have more latitude ..
HOWEVER in this/your case the spoke angle is too radical on the rear rim to be converted to the spoke angle on the front,,,..just lay one wheel on top o feach other and you'll see the predicament ,,the lil disc hub up front has the spokes coming almost straight out of the dimple,,look at the rear and the spokes are coming out of the outer edges of the dimple,,,

tell me what you are trying to do,,my hunch some quasi super moto machine or perhaps something with a big wheel front street cruiser...

you'll need a different/custom spoke kit,,want low budget we can probably put a good used set together for circa $50 new circa $100

i'll see what 17 x2.15 or was it a2.5x 17 that was on them ol hondas...

whatever ,,we can help ya within your $$ constraints...
woody

[wrysingfeenix]

Originally Posted by woody's wheel works

ok pardner,,,the idea is great,,the devil is in the details,,,if they are chrome/steel rims this conversion is more difficult to re-angle than if ya had alloy rims[we have more latitude ..
HOWEVER in this/your case the spoke angle is too radical on the rear rim to be converted to the spoke angle on the front,,,..just lay one wheel on top o feach other and you'll see the predicament ,,the lil disc hub up front has the spokes coming almost straight out of the dimple,,look at the rear and the spokes are coming out of the outer edges of the dimple,,,

tell me what you are trying to do,,my hunch some quasi super moto machine or perhaps something with a big wheel front street cruiser...

you'll need a different/custom spoke kit,,want low budget we can probably put a good used set together for circa $50 new circa $100

i'll see what 17 x2.15 or was it a2.5x 17 that was on them ol hondas...

whatever ,,we can help ya within your $$ constraints...
woody

The rear rims are 2.5 x 17.

Exactly...I started out on a cafe' racer project and have decided to have an easily converted 2-3 bike package. Two tanks, two seats, two sets of bars, two sets of side covers, 2.5 -3 sets of wheels, etc. all interchangeable in an easy afternoon or less.

I currently have stock spoked powder coated wheels installed for a "street tracker" look, have a spare set of original spoked wheels and would like to have a "bobber" option with a fat front wheel (hence my question, and I suspected you'd confirm my amateur guess that the spoke angle was too extreme to modify easily) and...I have a set of Comstar wheels that will be powder coated and used with the "cafe racer" version.

Used would be fine, but please clarify...are you saying that with the correct spokes I could, in fact, lace the small hub to the wide rim? I can build the wheel (I have experience with bicycle wheels) and I have a buddy who has extensive experience truing them, and it is a low budget project, but I'm not penny wise/pound foolish about it.

Or. Do you mean you could build a wheel on my front hub with a used rim that you have?

And...as always, thanks for your time, expertise, and attention. I and basically everyone who knows you and/or your reputation, appreciate it.

Wrysingfeenix

[woody's wheel works]

Originally Posted by wrysingfeenix;

,,,,,,Used would be fine, but please clarify...are you saying that with the correct spokes I could, in fact, lace the small hub to the wide rim?[SIZE=3

no,,,you need the correct spokes AND you need a properly angled dimples in the rim you use,,it's a total package,,,[/SIZE] I can build the wheel (I have experience with bicycle wheels) and I have a buddy who has extensive experience truing them, and it is a low budget project,i heard ya loud n clear but I'm not penny wise/pound foolish about it.now you are talking common sense,,,,

Or. Do you mean you could build a wheel on my front hub with a used rim that you have?who puts it togethe ris up to you,,,but what ya put together has to be an interdependent correct set-up,,,so if youvare going to powdercoat the whole wheel assy it doesn't matter if we use a good/straight rim and good spokes,,you are obviously not racing the bike ,,essentially you want to cruise around looking cool eh?? no problem,,will check my stuff n get back to ya,,,with a few options,,,

And...as always, thanks for your time, expertise, and attention. I and basically everyone who knows you and/or your reputation, appreciate it.

Wrysingfeenix

PS,,thanks for the attaboys,,,i/we do try to give back a little,,it's an easy equation for me,,that has worked my entire life,,my grand-pa opa lapp always told me ''give back more than you take,,,and the world will be your oyster,,,thank goodness i like oysters in any shape or form!!
later
woody

[Urbandrag]

PM sent!

[assquatch20]

I tried searching the thread for ATK but not enough letters, so here goes.

Bike's a '99 605 that someone is looking to trade me. I'm wondering about cush drive options. It has Talon hubs and Excel A60's I believe, 2.15x18. Could the Talon be fitted with a cush or should I be looking for something off another bike? I'm hearing about options for a KLR or DR650 wheel working (with spacer mods, not sure if I could keep the stock rotor or not), but getting one of those in a 18" or going down to 17" sounds like bigger money or a loss in ride quality.

I've also noticed people saying LC4 wheels work for SM stuff, but that's the wrong wheel for what I'm looking to do. Not sure if their hubs can be fitted to a 2.15x18. I'd like to be able to put a few hundred slab miles on to get to a rally without wearing out the drivetrain and still keep up on the trails, but the cush issue is the #1 problem in making it more 50/50 friendly. I know about the Kush Sprockets as well but the verdict is out on their quality/value.

Any advice on making this work is greatly appreciated.

[woody's wheel works]

We are looking into what will work on the ATK for a cush hub. Need to get a rear wheel with the spacer's, bearings, rotor and sprocket. RAD makes all our billet cush hub's but they don't have anything listed.

I will post when we find out what is compatable.

Thanks zach

Originally Posted by assquatch20

I tried searching the thread for ATK but not enough letters, so here goes.

Bike's a '99 605 that someone is looking to trade me. I'm wondering about cush drive options. It has Talon hubs and Excel A60's I believe, 2.15x18. Could the Talon be fitted with a cush or should I be looking for something off another bike? I'm hearing about options for a KLR or DR650 wheel working (with spacer mods, not sure if I could keep the stock rotor or not), but getting one of those in a 18" or going down to 17" sounds like bigger money or a loss in ride quality.

I've also noticed people saying LC4 wheels work for SM stuff, but that's the wrong wheel for what I'm looking to do. Not sure if their hubs can be fitted to a 2.15x18. I'd like to be able to put a few hundred slab miles on to get to a rally without wearing out the drivetrain and still keep up on the trails, but the cush issue is the #1 problem in making it more 50/50 friendly. I know about the Kush Sprockets as well but the verdict is out on their quality/value.

Any advice on making this work is greatly appreciated.